Jonathan Roberts Not Safe for Society
Jonathan Roberts Not Safe for Society
Seth Berge - Regenerative Medicine's Frontier
no-transcript somewhere else nobody's from minneapolis is not a it's not a touristy town. People don't move there unless you live in, like Western Wisconsin. I actually grew up in Eastern North Dakota, so Jesus yeah. So I moved. There's nothing there, but I was a Viking. I was a Minnesota sports fan because it was the closest thing, but the what I'm saying that annoys me is the people that live. If, if you live even one mile into the Wisconsin border from Minnesota, it's like you're the, you're the world's biggest fucking Packers fan and it's like, well, yeah, because they got pride, they're not.
Speaker 2:I know, it's just annoying Cause.
Speaker 1:it's like, well, yeah, because they got pride, they're not. I know it's just annoying Cause. It's like you live in our city. It almost sounds like you're jealous, You're enjoying. No, I, I would never tell him.
Speaker 2:Minnesota is so much better, minneapolis is so much better. Yet the Packers got better fans.
Speaker 1:They, they are like for their whole state. They got better fans hard is being an NFL football fan. Your whole identity. Is that cool?
Speaker 2:Alright, now you got me.
Speaker 1:That's kind of my overarching, because I'm not going to argue it to that point. That's what I'm saying. It's like I can grant you that the history of the Packers is Packers Cowboys. They're, yeah, vince Lombardi, all that but it's like they'll just remind you of the four. It's like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys got some Super Bowls.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm actually on board. I like the Packers, I like watching football, but I mean I might watch a game a year if I'm lucky two quarters, I just got too much shit going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm telling you these Packer fans that live in the Twin Cities, they'll fly a Green Bay flag in a neighborhood. It's like they need to let everybody know they just need to let everybody know like hey, I'm from Wisconsin. It's like okay, cool, you know who cares. Anyway, I hope all my Wisconsin friends are listening to this.
Speaker 2:They're not real people, from what I'm gathering.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, they're fine, it's just, it's annoying. That's the real rivalry, isn't even as much on the field.
Speaker 2:Because you're I mean, quote unquote successful. No one that's ever successful thinks they're successful, but you've done some pretty cool stuff in life. What do you think? Because I always get two, two versions of it. You know, you got a guy like andy and I mean it's real talk when he says he doesn't pay attention to sports. He doesn't pay attention, he doesn't he is so damn focused.
Speaker 2:He's not paying attention. But, like you and I like sports. Um, I mean, obviously I think you're going to attend games more. But what is it for you Like? Why are you going? Why are you wasting? Because I don't go watch football games anymore. At the Cardinals, I used to have season tickets badass club season tickets and we got rid of them last year. I don't have five hours, yeah, so how do you buy it? How do you justify it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, football games are on Sundays, so there's eight home games a year. I don't go to all eight.
Speaker 2:You know who's home on Sundays? My clients.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm also very so part of it. I don't know how deep you want to go, but I grew up in the middle of nowhere in North Dakota. I did not like I wouldn't change how I grew up, but I knew, I knew growing up that this is wild. I'm so far away from the rest of the world. I always just wanted to do stuff and when I went to college in the Twin Cities, in like a real city where there's all four pro sports teams, there's major college teams, there's concerts, there's venues, I just do stuff all the time. I mean, you asked what else I do. I should have mentioned I go to live concerts, but none of this stuff is.
Speaker 1:You know, monday from eight to nine. I'm going to concerts at 9 pm so I just find time to grind during the day and my idea of a weekend is of a good weekend isn't sitting at home. It's like, okay, what's going on in town this week, like with my wife, all right, we're doing something. Saturday or friday, is there a band that we both kind of like, what are our friends doing? Is there a home game for the twins? Vikings wild if it's, minnesota wild if it's. So I just love doing so. I I don't like downtime, okay, so I'm either working or I'm doing something else.
Speaker 2:I don't spend a whole lot of time just chilling yeah, no, that's similar to my wife and I like I mean, I'll occasionally plan a freaking saturday. I was like I am damn tired, I'm burnt out. We've had events like I just want to do nothing this saturday by 10 o'clock I'm like all right, what the fuck are we gonna do? Yeah, I can't sit here any damn longer. We gotta find something to do.
Speaker 1:I'm with you, sundays would be my day that I don't do much with with. You know five vikings games a year. Other than that, Sundays are the days that I'm okay with just saying all right, let's just chill.
Speaker 2:Lucky you, I can't do it. I can't sit at home. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying I'd sit at home the whole time, but that's the day where I don't necessarily be like what are we doing? What are we doing.
Speaker 2:So did you start this company or how did you get into this?
Speaker 1:I got into this the whole world of in medicine, like eight and a half years ago with a former business partner. Um, he went to a marketing conference and I don't even know which one it was, but, um, some guy up there he was a chiropractor but more of a marketer. He was kind of pitching essentially like stem cells as a like a business in a box. We paid him 100 grand to have him teach us what he knew and we'd already been in the direct sales dinner, seminar, educational b2c world. So we're like, looking at the economics and like I think we could make this work the way that we've been doing other things and and I'd heard of stem cells a little bit, just because you'd hear like kobe bryant flies to, oh, yeah, somewhere to do this mystery pate manning. So I was like, oh, I think that's what these pro athletes are doing overseas, it's healing them and I, oh, I think this could be kind of cool and really that's just kind of how it went. So I got into it with a couple partners and I've helped start a bunch of different seminar educational B2C companies. What were you doing before that? How far back do you want to go? I got into door-to-door sales at 19. That really changed my life. How far back do you want to go?
Speaker 1:I got into door-to-door sales at 19. That really changed my life. I got into door-to-door sales. I found out I was really freaking good at it. I'm not bragging, I was like I didn't. I grew up on a farm. I didn't really think I thought it was going to either be a teacher or actually I thought it was going to be a sports journalist or a coach. And then I got as as a summer job. I found door-to-door sales and I sold the first house I knocked and it was like, oh you, just at that time it was a very low ticket. I only did that for like three months. It was like I made $30 in 20 minutes and all my friends were working for $8 an hour in retail. So I was like holy shit. And then I sold four of them in like 45 minutes.
Speaker 1:So then I just started selling higher ticket door-to-door through through college I was making like 800 bucks a day. This is in the early 2000s. That was a lot of money then. And then after that I found dinner seminars. I was 23 years old. I answered an ad in the newspaper that dates me a little bit, it's Minneapolis Star Tribune. It was a small little company out of Tupelo, Mississippi, that said hey, do dinner seminars, we're selling aluminum insulation for the attic. I watched one guy, I recorded it, his pitch, and I just typed it out. And then within a month I did my own seminar at a restaurant. And you do the seminar, then you meet in their home the next day we'd measure the attic and then sit down on the kitchen table and try to sell a three to $5,000 little quick insulation deal. And I also was really good at that. And then to this day I still am very involved in dinner seminar model for home improvements.
Speaker 1:I've done walk-in bathtubs, I've done solar. I did five years of financial services where I was selling annuities and life insurance. I made a ton of money doing that. And I was doing that when I got presented the stem cells and I was like you know what? Things are going good with what I'm doing, but the stem cell thing seems really, really like it could have some real legs, and it was the best decision ever, because now, part of why I'm at where I'm at now is because I've been in the game for so long. Eight years isn't that long, but in this world it's like an eternity, because it's really only been going on since 2016, 2017. So I got into it in 2018. So you got into it early, yeah, so I've got a lot of connections in the industry.
Speaker 2:For people looking to maybe add it to their practice or IV, because IV clinics are blowing up. Is it 9-1-1, you need to add it tomorrow. It's starting to get oversaturated. Is it still new? No, it's time to do it.
Speaker 1:So I still focus a lot on the concierge part, where if you're somebody that wants it done, I will connect you with the provider already in my network. But a huge part of my business the last year and what's really pushing is if you're somebody that owns a medical clinic, a med spa, an IV clinic, regenerative products it's blowing up. Everybody wants it now so it's time to do it. A couple examples of what is really really huge now hair restoration so they're using stem cells and exosomes, which is a derivative of stem cells, but biologics, regenerative products they're microneedling it in the scalp instead of doing hair transplants. It's less expensive and it's less invasive.
Speaker 1:So that is a huge market. People are looking for it. If you're a provider, if you own a salon, med spa, if you start offering that service, you're going to make a lot of extra money. You're going to help your patients, so that's a big one. Cosmetic and aesthetics so they're doing microneedling like under eye blephs, the biologic, but botox you can do stem cells and exosomes instead of the poison that you know fillers and botox can be. So there's a lot of people, a lot of men and women, asking for more natural um beauty.
Speaker 2:It's like freeze out the face again stem cells versus paralyzing the exactly so, um, that's a huge space, and so what does it do there? Just like regenerate the muscle that naturally holds the tissue. It's good.
Speaker 1:As part of this stem cell product, without nerding too much, there's a ton of natural collagen type 1 and type 3 in the umbilical cord tissue. So when they're microneedling, they're actually putting the best form of collagen into the skin, and collagen is a building block of all healthy tissue blood flow. So it's really good for aesthetics, cosmetics, hair restoration, obviously, IVs, joints. And then the other one is sexual health. It makes your dick bigger. It makes your dick bigger. It makes it harder. It really does. So they'll actually, you know they inject?
Speaker 2:That was my first question for you when I met you.
Speaker 1:I think it was. I could have said my dick bigger, yeah, so that's, that's a big one too. So a lot of these clinics will offer all of those services. They'll get a provider that's legal to do injections and it's like hey, hair restoration, ed men and women. By the way, women don't grow bigger dicks. Fuck, I don't really know. It is 2025. Tim Walz might be on this.
Speaker 2:Tim Walz is yeah, are you sure? Because your school district says different. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:Not my school district. I don't live in Minneapolis, but I always remind people that when I tell them I'm from the Minneapolis suburbs, the state is actually pretty normal. It's the epicenter.
Speaker 2:It's different than any other big city. Yeah, I'm from Oregon, not.
Speaker 1:Portland though. Yeah, but not Portland, not Portland, yeah. So I'm in the suburbs where mostly a lot more conservative people but yeah, hair restoration, sexual health, cosmetic and aesthetics joints. It's really if you're a clinic owner or if you ever thought of getting one entrepreneurs. I know a ton of entrepreneurs I've helped. Just, they just start a business and they start offering it and they're making a ton of money. So I definitely can supply the products for everybody Great pricing, best products, the marketing strategies, the compliance, the attorneys, the blueprint to take a provider or an entrepreneur that wants to get in the space to do it.
Speaker 2:Okay, Drop really quick just while we're here, and then I'm going to ask you random stuff, but I don't want to forget about this how can people get ahold of you?
Speaker 1:A lot of different ways. I'm trying to think, cause I've got about four different companies that I own, some by myself, some without got stem cellscom. If you are looking to get treatment, if you go to got stem cellscom, pretty simple, there's information, there's you know, book. Now there's there's ways to get ahold of us.
Speaker 2:So if you're somebody who's like what's that? You got a website ways to get a hold of us. So if you're somebody, who's like what's that?
Speaker 1:You got a website, I've got a website, I've got a couple of them. So gotstemcellscom, if you're somebody who wants to be the end user of it. Precision Biologics is my company that I own solely. That's my distribution company. That's where I work with providers, people that are in the medical space. So precisionbiologicscom.
Speaker 2:I'm assuming providers can spell that.
Speaker 1:Providers can spell that. I hope so. Precision biologicscom Um, that'll get it. You can get ahold of me through there. I actually am just about finishing my website, build out um for my personal brand, which is also going to have links to everything. That's just Seth Bergecom. Spell that S E T H, bergecom. Spell that S E T H. And my last name is B E R G E, so Berg with an E at the end. Seth Berge, b E R G? Ecom. So any, any of those places you'll get ahold of. That's all going to go to me and my team. So whether again you want to get into space or you want to get treatment, any of those places will eventually get back to me yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I mean I challenge you to reach out Like if you've got something and just ask the guy questions, super easy to work with. You've always answered my retarded questions, even when they're not. You know that serious. And then I'm surprised and I'm like well, marty, you know eight. Like I don't know, can we go bigger? Just to specify if anyone's curious your wife is already complaining, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like can I make it smaller? He's like, unfortunately, no. So the one thing it can't do is it can't make your dick smaller. It can't make it smaller, no, but I won't say the rest of that because we'll get in trouble. So here's a question I asked a lot of people recently Do you think we landed on the moon?
Speaker 1:Oh boy, and this is just to judge your intelligence. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because there is the correct answer here you're not gonna like my answer because I'm a little bit political on this, not on purpose, I I tend to think we did, but I'm not I. I I hold that with an open hand. Okay, and here's why. Here's the only reason why my next question was why? Here's the only reason why I think that a scandal or a conspiracy that big, I don't think I think it would involve too many people knowing. So my only problem with it people are so stupid. It's hard to keep a secret. That's my only thing is not that the government isn't capable of it, not that they wouldn't lie to us, because I'm a history buff that's actually my side passion for everything. I just have a hard time believing that after what 60 years or so give or take.
Speaker 2:Someone hasn't come forward, that's my only it's slightly on that we did but I totally so. Let me ask you this, then because they did a pretty good job of a little flu back in 2020 pushing a lot of bullshit when social media was out there, when you can get information from wherever elon bought x and you know there's so much information out there, believe it, don't believe it, whatever theories. I mean, I think it was kind of bullshit. Yeah, it was a bad flu season really yeah, I mean it's totally exaggerated.
Speaker 1:I mean I, I'm not baxter so.
Speaker 2:So here's okay, I like that theory, but what makes you think we actually did other than that?
Speaker 1:I mean, I, I would say the footage, but of course the footage is one of the reasons why people poke holes in it. I guess, again, it just comes back to someone sometimes. Sometimes, I, sometimes the most obvious answer is the answer, but of course not always, because I, you know, I, I don't, I don't believe that roy oswald acted alone in the jfk. So I mean, you know, I do believe covid was, I mean, we all know now was it was a lab leak, all that type of stuff. Oh yeah, I just have a hard time with the moon one, but I hold it with an open hand. I hold it with an open hand.
Speaker 2:I'm I like it because it's a fun one, though. Yeah, yeah, it's a fun one because I mean it doesn't make like nasa lost the technology yeah, yeah, no, that's like the greatest achievement humans have ever done it just disappeared and it became more expensive over time. It is goofy like that, and then yeah, the footage and yeah, and obviously we had every reason to lie about it oh yeah, I mean, it's the height of the cold war. We had a better media production team than russia did.
Speaker 1:We had every reason to lie about it. Of course I totally get that and I I know that the government is overthrown, the cia is corrupt. I'm, I'm, I'm, I track on a lot of it. I just don't know about the. I don't know about 9-11. I don't know about the moon landing only again, not because I think the government is benevolent and they would never. They're perfect people. Just I just have a hard time thinking. Not one person was like I, I'm going to make a gazillion dollars on a book deal and blow the whistle. That's my only skepticism. Okay, I like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a good way to look at it. So you said history is something that you like.
Speaker 2:You like reading. Most people that enjoy information love history because for many reasons, it's fun. You cannot repeat it. You can't repeat the good All If you're not always challenging yourself to look at an opposite point of view. It's not really history, it's just some dude's book and you take it as fact. You're a moron. What would be one mainstream conspiracy theory that you would go with? I know you mentioned Oswald. What would be the biggest one where you're like that's jacked up in the history books? Oh, or the way that we're taught, the way that we believe it?
Speaker 1:I don't want to get too much trouble here, so I'm going to refrain from the one I would say Damn Now. I want to know that one.
Speaker 1:Okay, rather than getting super specific, let me just say this to everybody History, throughout history, is written by the winners. Yes, so keep that in mind with every single thing we've ever been taught. Oh, I know where this is going that history is written by the winners. So, like narrative of world war ii, I mean all the way to civil war, it's just remember it's written by the winners and it's you want to talk propaganda? I mean, the winners get to get to write the story. Yep, so, um, there is a lot. So one of my favorite things to do is learn about and I've really only been a history buff since I was like 35, which, by the way. Have you ever seen that meme where they say every man at age 35 either gets into smoking meats or into world war ii? I was the uh, world war ii, world war ii started with me. I'm like I want to really learn this now. I'm now, I'm all sorts of things I love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I lived in germany for uh four years. My favorite thing was just traveling to uh nuremberg, the rally grounds, nuremberg, trials up to Berlin with the pieces of wall that's still sitting there. Super cool, but anyways, go ahead. I thought you were going here.
Speaker 1:Where was I going with that I?
Speaker 2:don't know, you don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1:No, no, I can do it. It's always written by the winners and just understand that. Oh, I know what I was going to say. One of my favorite things to do is really learn the subject from like the mainstream World War I, world War II, vietnam, you name it and then, after I've got like the general understanding, then I start listening to alternative history.
Speaker 2:You know, like somebody's like well let me.
Speaker 1:Maybe so-and-so wasn't the bad guy. It's not that I always, I just necessarily believe it, but it's like I want to hear a different point of view of it. It and then a lot of times it's like, yeah, this neat thing that we've been told about x conflict. It's not as black and white as as what we're led to believe. In fact it's pretty messy and you know there's a lot of major recent conflicts that we can talk about.
Speaker 2:We could talk about that for hours and everything going on right now all the way down to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm more of a modern history buff, like 1700s, 1800s and on, and you know I've been all, even world war one. There's just so many, so many things like different points of view that aren't necessarily taught in the textbooks, like there's credible reason to believe that x, y and z either didn't happen. Or what's your favorite war? Um, my favorite war, weirdly, is probably world war one, because it's a huge conflict but it is a little bit less. It's underserved because everybody loves world war. I love world war ii, but it's almost like everybody loves world war ii and I. I got really, really, really, really into that for like ever and then I was like all right, I need to move on to something and really, world war one is it? World war ii is really a continuation of World War.
Speaker 2:I, it really is and you have to understand I, II understand II.
Speaker 1:You have to understand I II really all the dynamics of what happened World War I changed warfare Changed everything. Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2:It was a transition between trench warfare and more modern warfare Aircrafts, just starting to make it toward the end.
Speaker 1:Definitely tanks were a big, big part of it. Mass killing, I mean it's just wild.
Speaker 2:Yes, world War, I was cool, and what's actually really good is fun, not good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cool to study yeah.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't want to be there.
Speaker 1:No, I mean the mass killing. It's actually kind of fun when you start going. Before World War I there's a couple of minor conflicts that were kind of introduced, that type of warfare on a smaller scale I believe the Japanese Russo War from like 1906.
Speaker 2:You had the was the Winter War in Finland invaded by Russia? Was that before World War? I? I think that was like.
Speaker 1:I think it was before World War.
Speaker 2:I and then even like that was a cool one. Yeah, I can't remember the dates, but Finland whooped Russia's ass just based on getting out of the trenches, getting out of that.
Speaker 1:I think it was World War… yeah, I don't remember exactly, but yes, those Finns fought really hard. They fought hard and they used their strategic advantage. They used the winter, they used snow, they were snipers jumping out behind trees.
Speaker 2:It wasn't just what used to be the American Revolution. It the american revolution it was just you know, this trench, this trench, you're gaining ground, you're killing people. And someone finally said why don't we not stand in a line? Yeah, it's like that will never work that's a military thing though yeah, so we've been doing it this way for 80 years.
Speaker 2:It's like, well, they got a better idea. Yeah, now we're dead, good job, so no, and you can learn a. You can learn a lot. I mean, you learn a lot in business, you learn a lot in life, just from history, because you know, if you think you know we're the first person to do something, you're freaking crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as a general rule. I've told friends this Anybody who listens because not everybody, you know so many people don't give a shit about history, like it's history. You shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on a current event if you can't even go back, like if you don't and I'm not even taking, I'm going to be, I am going to be political here, but don't talk to me about Russia, ukraine, israel, gaza, you name it Pakistan, india. Don't jump in with an opinion if you can't, if you're not willing to go back 50 years, 100 years, wherever and on either side. But it's like, don't that just bothers me and I on on either side, but it's like, don't that just bothers me, people jump in, like with confidence. It's like do you understand what happened in 1947, or this or that, the other thing? So, so when people think history is unuseful, it's like, okay, well, then shut up. Yeah, because your opinions? Yeah, if you don't care about history, then you don't.
Speaker 2:I have that and I have this idea and I think it would change the world. But no one's gonna ever catch on, like when you talk about opinion and you know, knowing history, knowing facts or people can't even identify facts from opinion nowadays. But I have this thing that I always try to do myself, cause I'm very opinionated and I'll, I'll, I'll know I'm wrong and I'm like no, I'm just going to win the fight. We're going down that route. But, like, if I can change my opinion, cause if you go through that entire process they call it the scientific method or it's very related to it Um, you actually have a valuable opinion because you've looked at challenging your own belief, and then, honestly, a lot of times you'll start going down that path and then it's a six month path Cause, like shit, I don't even know what I believe anymore, which I think is in and of itself.
Speaker 1:For me personally is one of the things that I've learned as I've gotten older saying I don't exactly know, and that was I know you didn't like my answer to the moon landing, but I haven't spent as much time as you have. I've spent just enough time to be like it's been just as much as I have Not on that. I haven't as much on that conspiracy. Just maybe I should. I probably will. After this talk, I go to bed every single night listening to YouTube history. That's how I wind down. I put on a YouTube three-hour on a historical subject and then I just put the loop on it. You're just brainwashing yourself. Yeah, well, it's good stuff. I don't do anything too dark, but yeah, that's how much I. I like information and um. But the point is I think there is something to be said about. Maybe there is some gray gray area and being able to say I don't know, I don't think that's a bad thing, yeah, yeah because, realistically, with the moon landing, I don't know, but I'm 99% sure I'm getting there pretty well.
Speaker 2:But at the same time, like you know, hey, I kind of like my biggest thing if maybe it did actually happen is somebody's got to squeak.
Speaker 1:But yeah, to be fair on that one, that is, either it did or it didn't. So but you know things like current conflicts, yeah, like there isn't necessarily A right or or wrong.
Speaker 2:That's like sometimes like, oh, I'm.
Speaker 1:Ukraine a thousand percent, it's like.
Speaker 2:They can both be right in their own way.
Speaker 1:Exactly. So that doesn't. I'm not taking a side, but there's two sides to every story. But if you had to pick now, there's two sides to every story is my point. And it bothers me when people are the loudest people in the room, I'll leave it at that. When the loudest people in the room have the least historical knowledge or context or they have the least open mind. That's what bothers me.
Speaker 2:No, and the big thing is like you can be right about an issue or both sides can be right about an issue. Yeah, and that's what we've gotten away from. We've gotten away from. You know what team do you go? You know you could say Packers, Vikings, those fans will destroy each other, but in reality they're both right, they both have a team. They like. I mean there's freaking no difference. And now we've divided that through politics and all sorts of cool stuff. So I appreciate it. Got anything else you want to chat about? I don't think so. Cool, Good to be at an hour. Cool man. I appreciate you, dude. Thank you, it was fun.
