Jonathan Roberts Not Safe for Society
Jonathan Roberts Not Safe for Society
The Art of Building Resilience: Aaron Hensley Martial Arts
yeah so a lot of it is just like doing whatever the hell needs to be done to get the job done. A lot of it is just yeah, you're hired to you know sell products. You're hired to get people to seminars. You're hired to, you know, sell andy's time if that's. You know the type of thing it is. But realistically, everyone has to pick up. You know some sort of a piece of the puzzle, um with my military experience, like seeing the. The events are kind of just. You know some sort of a piece of the puzzle, um, with my military experience, like seeing the. The events are kind of just. You know, back in the day were very unstructured and straight chaos. I I promise you not one client ever knew because we always brought it together, right, but there was a lot of just sales mentality of hey, how do we get it done?
Speaker 2:get the sale done, no matter what type of thing, right and to me, coming from the military, coming from businesses, like stressed you out probably? Yeah, it was anxiety. Yeah, I would say I think that's what you just said. That's what I see a lot of times happen in other industries too. It's like make the sale no matter what, and then it's the follow-up game is not good, the actual service of the product is not good, yeah, and then when it's chaotic, people actually know how to structure things.
Speaker 1:It just creates panic and anxiety yep, and you lose a lot of those people. They don't want to be around when they see it. Or all of a sudden, like luckily I've been around enough where I knew that like everything's chaotic, I knew I was getting into a quote-unquote startup. I knew things will never be perfect, so I was able to implement, like the discipline in there and then, like each one of the members of the team, like the guys, the guys and gals who do really well, here are the ones that are unselfish. They, you know they're showing up early, they're helping out, doing the things that you know you're not getting paid for, like our entire society is well, I'm not doing that, I'm not going to get paid right. Like, well, you're never going to learn how to do that next step because I'm not paying you till you know how to do it. So if you want it, you better freaking learn how to do it before you get paid everyone wants paid before they do the job go back to the flying thing.
Speaker 2:We're talking about these young pilots. Like I said, they get a job with Delta, which is pretty badass to start with, right, that's right, right. But if you're 22 or 24 and that's the job, you might not be getting paid a lot of money, but they're giving you hours on a jet that you couldn't get access to on your own, which then helps you get paid more money in the future, and so you're giving you skills on their dom and still paying you for it. So like that's the thing is.
Speaker 2:Like if I was working for a startup, let's say, going back to the time when that was happening for you, if you believe it's going to get to the outcome, then and chaos is okay if it's going towards a mission right, because the fact when you grow something like this, this beast here growing as fast as growing, yeah, then you're going to break a lot of people and they're going to break a lot of things in the process, right.
Speaker 2:And so I think what happens is I tell people it's like I need my house, my car and my garage organized because work's chaotic If I come home, if I'm in chaos at work, and I come home to chaos and you live in chaos there and you have no structure, no discipline to your life. You're going to be a miserable, anxious person, and so that's why I was like you know, I'm meticulous about everything outside of work, because work is chaotic, because you're dealing with people and people are different and everything's different every day, like we do. An event, no events, everyone be the same. I was here for the goggins thing, right, like that was not here is that?
Speaker 1:let's see, have you been to another one? Was that the only one I've been to so far?
Speaker 2:so this is that's what I'm saying. So like I mean I'm excited for yeah Cause now you're on our turf.
Speaker 1:We had we had borrowed turf Great place. We had a great great people, but that was still borrowed turf Right.
Speaker 2:And you know, like uh, the I always now, because I've been to a lot of events I'm always looking for like, what am I learning about? Even going to church today I was watching to the environment of like what they do. Well, because it's a presentation like anything else and you're using emotion right To sell an experience of something and everything in life is like. If you put the presentation on, you create that emotional height. But then the problem is if the chaos is in, like because you said you pulled it off and no one really knew, but if the chaos continues afterwards and it never actually gets structured, you just keep replaying, you're always just going through a cycle of people, yeah, and then you never get to the next level.
Speaker 1:You know no 100. There's certain really, really good people that don't operate in chaos. They're much more analytic but much more structured, and you'll miss them, you'll burn them out.
Speaker 2:They can't handle it, they won't do it. That's a different type of person, right? Yeah?
Speaker 1:and they have a huge power and they're needed in a company um they are needed so, yeah, I stepped in and just took over that role. Eventually I took over the whole event role. I'm like all right.
Speaker 1:I'm fixing this chaos. Let's do this, I'll structure it, map it all out, blah, blah, blah, we'll have it. And then I got really lucky. Brittany actually kind of took it off my back, and cool thing about that is she came in to be my assistant. It just doesn't work for us. Wasn't a good role. And so I was like okay, how do we use you to make money? Cause she wasn't. You know, there was no job. There was no job offer.
Speaker 2:How many spouses are working here or like people in relationship, type thing.
Speaker 1:Right now we have we have couples, four that are both you could quote, unquote full time Right. And then I think everybody has it Right. Everybody has a little bit of part of this, because Brittany took off the events from my back so I could concentrate on what I do, so I could create revenue, I could create money. So in the long run, yes, did we make more money? But for the first eight months she didn't get paid, never asked to get paid.
Speaker 2:Well, there was no expectation to pay.
Speaker 1:We were doing this as a family.
Speaker 1:We were doing it as as because the more she supports you, the easier it is for you to do what you're great at and I'm able to focus yeah, and be world class or something yeah, and then just one day we're sitting there, um, I got my paycheck and then I noticed an extra little sum of money in the account and I'm what the hell? I'm like. I think I think you might be getting paid now and then and then the other two are always cool. You know, they'd always give her something here, give her something there, but she never asked for a job, right, she never wanted it, um, but she did the dang work and the next thing.
Speaker 2:You know, they're like hey we gotta pay, you gotta pay, we feel bad for not paying you.
Speaker 1:They never asked, they never talked to her about it, we just saw extra money and then, uh, yeah, then all of a sudden her email address got the uh, the w9 right all the stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, now it's legit, right yeah but it was like I mean I think it's a great thing like you talk about pilots, but you talk about like kids coming out of high school, kids coming out of college, like college doesn't teach you a dang thing other than like, if you want to be a lawyer or a doctor, go to college, check the block.
Speaker 2:You have to do it, even even as a lawyer, though, because I've helped some lawyers. They don't know how to make they. They know how to do their job. Still they know how to read the entrepreneur. Part of that, because there's still the hustle. Part of that as well. Right, like you have to get the marketing out there, the advertising has to happen. All those skills and the ones who win the best in the, let's say, with the games and lawyers and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the way they win is look at the billboards, Look at, look at the TV ads. They're out there advertising marketing better than anybody.
Speaker 1:They sponsor events. Yeah Right, you know, I think it's Vegas too, even.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So they're they're sponsoring know you're either going to go work for some big corporation, but if you ever want to open up private practice, you have to know how to sell. And honestly, I think and I'll just say this, live, because I don't care what people think I think the average person that doesn't go to college makes more money than the person fucks. And if you eliminate it, because certain people you could give an MBA from Harvard and they're still going to be a lazy fuck. So I think if you take them out, the average entrepreneur that doesn't go to college learns a lot more in four years of getting their ass kicked than learning from a book in four years. And they, in my opinion, the people that we coach and stuff they do a lot better because in college they actually rob you of your ability to be an entrepreneur. They give you a syllabus, they tell you everything that you're going to cover that course and then they give you an ABC or D test.
Speaker 2:Well, you've been indoctrinated since you were in kindergarten to be, yeah, you've been in the system, right, right. So I'm with you on that no-transcript get resourceful, they're going to figure things out and that's the thing is. Like that I learned. Really what shifted for me was like about eight, nine years ago now I recognized like all right, I've learned to make money. But like money is a tool one, two, it can come and go. Like you never guarantee the market or whatever's going to happen.
Speaker 2:If you have certain skills, you literally can go anywhere in the world and start over and get it back as fast as you want to, to the point that I almost I love that challenge in a lot of ways. Sometimes, like I love the put me back in, like last, I think it was last week, maybe on one of andy's calls he's talking about like hey, my back's gonna swallow, I'll do my best, right, because it's like you got nothing else but push. And sometimes you have to artificially put yourself in a position, whether it's a way to motivate yourself, like you're talking about getting punched in the face. Now you want to fight right. Like sometimes it's like how do you? You don't want to take yourself to zero, but how do you artificially create that same mindset over and over again so you never get comfortable? You can do it for real, right, you can do it for real, but I'm saying it's like you don't have to burn the ships to get yourself in that position.
Speaker 1:You don't have to. But I mean, I'll be real, like what helped me become. When we talk monetary, when we talk about just you know, um, not really net worth, because that's not what it is, but annual earned income, the biggest thing I ever did was the dumbest thing. This isn't good financial advice, but it taught me how to make a lot of money is anytime I got stuck, I just buy a car I can't afford yeah, because I got to figure it out, 45 days to figure it out and if, if your back's against the wall and you really want it, you'll figure it out.
Speaker 1:If you're, if you're willing to die. I do that a lot in business.
Speaker 2:Right. It's like right now we have a, we have a location opening next week and we went looked at the second location. We don't know any open yet. But I'm like, all right, let's get a lease signed, because then I'll have to find staff, I'll have to go forward. I'm commit to it. Otherwise it's like having kids. If you wait for that, it's like, well, when are you ready? You know, the answer is probably never really right, because it's never the right time, right place. It's just you either believe you're going to get there and do it or don't do it so so you've been here three and a half years.
Speaker 1:About three and a half years, yeah.
Speaker 2:So if you were, coaching is number one responsibility for you or events.
Speaker 1:Coaching sales is number one.
Speaker 2:Okay, and then are you doing that every day of the week pretty much, or is it? How does it flow? Nine days a week, something like that.
Speaker 1:No, it's really cool because I am I'm a contractor, so 1099. Right, andy talks a lot about you know, yeah, we, we have some meetings, we have this office. Like it's cool, we have this place that we can be if we want to be, and I want to be here 90 of the time, but at the same time, like in today's world, I've got a cell phone in my back pocket. You know, your cell phone has potential to make you millions and millions and you know, there's two ways you can use that cell phone.
Speaker 1:You could either sit there and scroll reels all day, watch everybody else's life, watch everybody else ball out and dream about it, or you can use it to make money. Um, and what's cool about it with what we're doing, is you know? I'm available for the most part 24 seven, probably not going to pick up most calls at 3am, but I can work when I want. Like you know, he was in Dubai, um. One of our coaches, ali, went to Dubai with him and guess what? He still maintained his revenue. He still maintained that because in today's world you can work anywhere wherever the world is so dang close.
Speaker 1:But I mean, you said it perfectly there's certain skills in life that you can learn that will help you never be broke, that will help you never struggle Like and I truly think the ability to sell. Persuade it's not even that, it's just the ability to connect with humans. Sure, persuade it's not even that it's just the ability to connect with humans. Sure, in today's world, sales is not tricking someone into buying a product. It's not this Jedi word craft that tricks the mind. I mean, there's NLP and cool techniques that you can use to learn to be a little smoother, to learn to be more influential, but when it comes down, it was just like can you connect with people?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Smile on someone's face and most people aren't coming to talk to you because they don't want to know about you, they don't want to not have your product. I mean, heck, I sold cars forever. Right, there's zero percent of people, zero percent, except the old man that came every tuesday, but other than him there's no one coming to a car dealership to make a friend find a boyfriend. Right, like the most hated career. That's like right, going to washington dc to trust what they say. Um, no one's going to. Yeah, you ain't going to find a car salesman to.
Speaker 2:Uh the only other job I've ever done in my life for about six months was in college was sell cars dude, selling cars is fun yeah, I mean it's hell, but it's fun um you learn a lot too yeah, I mean, that's the first time I ever actually like someone taught me like a process of selling and uh, I learned that was definitely not the culture of like. Obviously, everything sells, everything is. But so if you were like, if you averaged out, your clients are all entrepreneurs, most of them are.
Speaker 1:I would say I'm 50, 50, 50% entrepreneurs, business owners, things like that, and then the other 50% sales all over the place car sales, solar sales, saas sales, right.
Speaker 2:And you're dealing with more of the corporate structure, then with that's the case. So, like the company's hiring you and not the individual.
Speaker 1:If I'm doing something private, I'm usually dealing with, like the corporate structure. Like if I'm doing a live training, something like that, I'm usually dealing with C-suite level, sometimes, even sometimes directory level and above. That's typically what it is, typically what we're setting up. But at the same time, like it doesn't matter who you are I mean Andy Elliott, for example he'll get on the phone call. I mean he'll still make our quote unquote. We call them cold calls because it makes us feel better inside, but they're warm calls, warm leads. He'll still make random ones and he'll he'll. He'll talk to a guy you know, struggling, living in his car, 20 years old, whatever, like that, that whole story, and he'll still pour everything into them, even if, even if they don't have you know what is our cheapest thing? 300 bucks, 600 bucks, something like that. That's powerful, even if they don't have it. Like, our goal when we get on the phone is that we're not going to hang it up. We're not just going to be like oh, we've identified that you're, you know, broke this.
Speaker 1:The only way I'm hanging up on you is if you ego issues and you're just being a jackass. That's about the only time I'm hanging up on you.
Speaker 2:You know, it's really is. I've been around a lot of powerful people and been fortunate enough to be able to afford to be in rooms with a lot of people like that, but then a lot of them you can tell it's show. And I remember hearing this a long time ago. I was like you know, when you go to marry a woman, look at her mom. It kind of gives you a good kind of future forecast, right, I think. When it comes to business owners, look at their staff and kind of see how the culture is right, kind of like peek behind the curtain and, like I said, everybody here has been giving caring, like put your arms around you. They work hard. I mean, it's a Sunday right now. People are setting for tomorrow. Yeah, like I said, church today everybody's going to church together, work out together.
Speaker 2:It's like it's interesting that people try to tear down uh, what's being built here?
Speaker 2:Cause I've had it happen to me on a smaller level and the, the gotcha type people that they, the that want to use things just for clickbait or whatever, which really they're serving their personal agenda most of the time. And what's interesting to me is when, when things have happened to me like that, it's so like it angers me and frustrates because I know who I am. But then I look at somebody even way crazy, like gets all kind of crap, is trump. I'm just like how does he push forward and not just want to kill everybody, like. But I see it happen with andy and I've gotten to know him personally and I I see a version that I wish everybody could see. But then, like I said, I look at the team, I look at you and how everyone's treated me and it's like if, if there's anything bad about any of that stuff, then then people have their own goals, you know yeah, and I would say most people, most of our hate, and I think you're gonna get hate at any level.
Speaker 1:Um, and I it's you know, you do get hate at any level when you try to break away from the average, when you try to break away from the norm, because I remember, even getting into it, like when I started to make money selling cars and stuff, like you know, just certain friends, certain people, like the relationship changed All of a sudden. They were, they were very interested about your job, they were very interested about your income, which I'll share it. I think we should all excuse me. I think we should all share our incomes. I think I think everyone on this earth's income should be posted on a big old leaderboard, not to make you better or worse than anyone, but to bring out reality, because the only reason there's this whole thing about oh, it's rude to talk about money comes from the industrial era, when people were working in factories and they didn't want the owners, they didn't want the person next to them to know how much they were making and they were doing yeah, so it's a control thing. So I don't believe in that, but I believe, like we, we on, like a core value.
Speaker 1:Anytime you're trying to do something better, anytime you're trying to break away from the average nine to five, what society is supposed to tell you to do? How you're supposed to vote, depending on what fricking new source you watch Like when you try to break away from that, there's always going to be hate. I have never to this day, and maybe you can correct me, but I've talked to Andy. Uh, obviously, andy Frisella, brad Lee, freaking, patrick Bette-David I mean, we've all had this conversation before. I've not met one hater doing better than I am.
Speaker 1:I don't even know if I've met one hater that has an anonymous profile.
Speaker 2:They're all photos and locked up crazy.
Speaker 2:I had one recently, where it's not recently, it's been about a year. I guess he's got such a vendetta about it. He was creating fake accounts. But then been about a year, but I guess he's got such a vendetta about he's creating fake accounts. But then he would go on reddit and talk about killing my kids and it's all anonymous, whatever. So I can't like. But I know, based on the conversation and uh, even recently one of my partners, he emailed uh, one of my partners and basically saying I can't believe a lot under a fake profile again and uh, and now the point, I don't take the bait because it's like I mean, I, you know, I guess I've heard other people say well, the problem is you got one or two haters, not one or two million haters, you know, I think there's something there and a lot of people are like, hey, just ignore them.
Speaker 1:I I have a rule because I like spinning people up on social media, because it entertains me I love it, I'll spin them up a little bit until it becomes personal right.
Speaker 2:You attack me personally my daughter's one that brought me that to me. Yeah, that one I was like oh you attack my family. You say anything about that show up at your house cutting you off.
Speaker 1:You're a loser but if you want to like, because I like debate, right. So if you want to debate, if you want to disagree with something, I mean nine times out of ten you don't actually have a disagreement, you just have some stupid comment with no value. But occasionally I'll get one that has some serious value and why they disagree with whatever crazy stuff I said.
Speaker 2:I'm like cool, we're going to debate this, Right right, right. I love debate too. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Because I want to change mine and I have this theory and this might fix society right here. If anybody ever listens to this podcast, this will fix society. If you have an opinion, you need to challenge your opinion. You need to ask yourself what would it take to change my opinion? You need to identify that and then go research based on that information and see if you can change your own opinion and if you still hold true to it. That's an actual opinion and not some social media.
Speaker 2:CNN, Fox news. Well, that point becomes a belief, right.
Speaker 1:And then it becomes yeah, it becomes, yeah, the belief of it. It becomes not, maybe not factual. It doesn't mean you have to be right, it doesn't mean it have to be the right thing, but you know, you either listen to CNN, fox News, cnbc, whatever it is, and that's just the truth. And they're both crap. By the way, I'm not saying left or right.
Speaker 2:Well, I think most people, if you said, hey, what do you believe? And then if you ask them why, they're not going to be able to give you a reason. And if they do have something, it's typically been handed down to them by their family. And so I don't think people question their belief systems enough or often enough. Because your beliefs they might not massively shift, but as you become educated and become experienced, your beliefs do grow as well too. For example, like right now, you cannot prove to me do you believe in god? Right now you can't prove to me god's real can't prove to you doesn't exist agree right, do you love your kids?
Speaker 2:yeah but you can't. You can't give me tangible evidence. You can say your actions do, but it's something you feel. The problem with that is we try to put tangible things on, things that sometimes are just a belief system that you don't have to answer. You don't have to prove this. Why would you need to prove that God's real or that you love your kids or your spouse or whatever? It's a personal belief.
Speaker 2:But the issue is is when we start having beliefs that then impact other people, like politics, for example, or something like that we become so passion driven we pick a team and we go all in on this team approach, but then we can't explain our beliefs in a logical way because we haven't actually challenged her. Again, you haven't challenged your own beliefs, yes, and own beliefs, yes and uh. But also, the smartest people know how to trigger people to get what they really want. Right, which is a form of selling in a lot of ways. Right, it's using influence and it's all cells and it's just a matter of like. Even the whole thing that with elon and trump recently. Who, who knows if this wasn't the two of them behind scenes, right, who knows? Or maybe because, right, it's like hey look, we need to actually change the, the world in a way different level. Who knows right? And maybe we never will, but, um, I get, I think. I think that's the thing it's like.
Speaker 2:As you get older, you value things at a different level too. Like money is different as you get older, whether you have it or don't have it, your experiences you value experiences. You value time at a different level. You value uh connection, especially now with technology. You know, like the time in many hours put into work and then and I'm generalizing this but then you're not with your family. I'm not talking about you, but I'm saying like people that go to the nine to five, then they come home, then they do the, the whole thing with whatever home life is. The actual, like real connection it's just uh, the rat race still exists, you know, and nowadays we've learned how to use this little device to gamify everything for people. So, like the, the leaderboard is real. It's just now through social media and think for things that really don't matter yeah.
Speaker 1:How many followers you have? How many. What friends you have?
Speaker 2:verified accounts yeah I joked today with. I had a call today, coaching call today. I was joking today. I was like I can go post something has real value to something and I get four or five people to pay attention to it, and then you can have someone show a little skin right and all of a sudden like literally there's this guy today. He does like he's a big, heavyweight guy, fat guy, and he's on social media and he pretends like he's doing his own stunts and it's all stupid stuff. And I looked at today, today's post at 30 000 likes. I'm like we just want to be entertained till we fall off.
Speaker 1:I did a little test on that the other day yeah because I mean I've got a nice set of tits yeah, okay, you do they are, they're nice. Yeah, they're nice and here's the thing I'm like not the fittest guy in the other group sure, I'm in pretty good shape.
Speaker 2:There's some people here, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a hard competition up in this bitch. So I did a post and I'm not. It's crazy. I was talking to someone about this. They're a social media influencer and they're they're totally cool, right, you know, near half naked pictures totally come. They're terrified of public speaking and I'm kind of. I've learned that too public she's got a friend like that yeah, I can get on a stage any day and I just black out, say words and go with it.
Speaker 2:I don't care what you think about right I don't care, huh but uh, that's her yeah yeah, trying to get like.
Speaker 1:So I did this picture to push myself out of my comfort zone a little bit and it was just a little stupid selfie in the sauna. Felt like a complete tool doing it and, like you know, it was slightly above the nipple and above and you know I've got some pretty good lats.
Speaker 2:I'm good with it.
Speaker 1:Okay, chest looked okay, all right got a sweat going so I had the extra.
Speaker 2:The angles were looking right I saw it in my story and it was 300 times bigger than any actual value I give and then also when I talk crap, good value.
Speaker 1:When I, or when I'm just talking crap trying to stir up society, trying to piss some people off, I'll get views all day.
Speaker 2:When I actually give value to something that could actually potentially change something, it's for people that's so true, because whenever I say something controversial or whatever like that, people go crazy on the comments or whatever like that. And then, uh, but yeah, yeah, I was gonna sweat, so you posted this little half naked picture of yourself. Yeah, how many gay men were in your inbox?
Speaker 1:six, see I got five every time, five conversions. That's how good of a salesperson I am yeah, six or five, yeah, totally, it's pretty awesome yeah, pretty awesome every time I post something?
Speaker 2:no, I'm serious anytime I post something with like a shirtless, but I get like goofy stuff if you always gay men.
Speaker 1:Men and women it's not just a women thing. Yeah, so everyone's. I'm just kidding, no, I'm serious. Anytime I post something with like a shirtless, I get like Goofy stuff Always gay men. So it happens to men and women. It's not just a women thing. Yeah, so everyone's saying that women have it bad.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:No, they're just okay.
Speaker 2:So most men aren't. But women probably get it at a hundred times lower. They probably get it worse. Crazy.
Speaker 1:Think about every post you could get it, but would you be happy with yourself?
Speaker 2:Not saying good looking women aren't happy. I tell her she needs to post way more. She'd get so much more traction. Just take my content. You post it, we get more people, we roll. Yeah, it'd be great, we're solid.
Speaker 1:It's funny you say that I don't post too much with my family, but whenever I do post something with my wife, it. But whenever I do post something with my wife, it usually grabs more.
Speaker 2:Yeah 100%, or with the kids probably even too, Because people like it's like we started looking at dogs the other day and now my feed is just different dogs all day long. I was like there's a lot of people that are posting stuff with their dogs and you can tell their likes go up. Just because it's a cute little dog. I was like I need to walk around with a cute dog.
Speaker 1:I need a dog. Anybody got a dog for lease?
Speaker 2:and there and there's actually you can research what dogs give you the best traction on social media we got a cat, you think that'll work.
Speaker 1:No, people think people don't like cats. They'll think you're weird. Yeah, if you don't like cats, I don't like cats. We have a cat, it's kind of nice.
Speaker 2:There's only one good kind of cat. She likes cats, so I can't say it. Tell me about events. So what's the biggest event y'all have?
Speaker 1:done. The biggest one we have personally hosted would be, I think, the Goggins event. That was huge. Yeah, 1,600 people.
Speaker 2:That was crazy and I'll tell you what I loved about it which I'm excited for when we do our event here in September is Andy. I don't know how many hours he went in the first session, or whatever like that. I don't know how many hours he went in the first session, or whatever like that. Again, I've never I've had I don't know how many conversations with Andy over the past nine months or so. We've never talked sales, me and him ever. We've talked about our kids, we've talked about guide, we've talked about leadership.
Speaker 1:Are your sales going up?
Speaker 2:They have, but I'm also in a different level right now because I'm still in battle plan prep for launching. So they have, but I'm also in a different level right now Cause I'm still I'm still in battle plan prep for a launching.
Speaker 2:So they have, they have, but you haven't top of mind focused on but I haven't even really turned the gear up from that yet, about getting ready for that September's kind of the launch for that. But but I was saying his first, you know, whatever two or three hours he was on stage, uh was all about leadership, being a better person and in a way that resonates with where I feel like the world's really lacking. For sure, and and I think it's his messaging right now, like, uh, you know, even even as his colleague did last sunday was talking about like basically talking about the cell phone and how it just does make you comfortable and complacent in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2:Digital distraction yeah and I mean we all see it, we're all guilty of leaning into it. I mean, and it's a challenge, especially I've got, you know, I've got kids that are, you know, aware of the social media world and the comparison thing is definitely real, you know, like you don't know the real story of people, um, and if you go travel obviously I live in vegas, here in scottsdale, I'm sure the same it's like you go to a restaurant. You see people not even involved with what's going on. They're so involved with whatever's on that device.
Speaker 2:It's just a weird world we're in right now.
Speaker 1:So here, because eventually I'm going to talk about you, I know we're going to talk about how awesome I am, yeah, and we can talk probably six days about that.
Speaker 2:Well, I six and a half got to rest a little bit. Keep building me up, yeah, cool but real talk.
Speaker 1:Um, because and I'll we'll try to give you more of an intro and like what you're doing, all that, but you know you're in the martial arts community, huge on discipline. So here's something that I've seen with you know cell phones and cell phone use and pornography and everything that has that the internet has brought us. It's almost a bad. Like the internet, I mean, it's an amazing, amazing tool. Like what we can do, how we can scale, who we can get ahold of. Like it's. It's just put the world into one little bucket. There's no real divide anymore. However, the problem is I'm going to speak from a male perspective because I am a dude. It's 2025, but I still believe I'm a dude.
Speaker 1:I think, you're pretty sure, right right, I mean.
Speaker 2:I mean you look like when you do say that, though you can't judge me on that I can't. I can look like whatever I want, that's true.
Speaker 1:But what do you?
Speaker 2:identify as questions.
Speaker 1:Well, I have. I have a way to solve this too yeah, oh good I'm gonna, I'm gonna get my md okay, I'm gonna address it myself and it's gonna be really, really cool.
Speaker 1:I'm going to have like a. I'm going to be right Like I think the statistic is 49.9999% of time you come, pay me $10,000. I identify everything. I'm going to say pull your pants down. If it looks normal, cool, I'll be able to identify it. If it's all fucked up, we're going to have a quick little conversation about what it used to look like. And then what is it? The hermaphrodites is like 0.01 or something like that. I'm gonna be wrong, I'm.
Speaker 2:It's better than common medicine okay, okay, so we're good there. So you're gonna get paid to identify people a ten thousand dollars a pop.
Speaker 1:I think I can do it. I think I can get through it yeah okay, I think I can get through it.
Speaker 2:It's gonna be rough all right, so here's so you identify as a male is what you're saying right now, today.
Speaker 1:I am a male okay, yes, if anyone's confused. So here's. The problem from the male perspective is men are meant to conquer the world when they've done it for freaking generations and we operate on a high level of testosterone and we operate on a high prey drive. The problem is is when you're constantly filling your dopamine receptors with quick little six 40 second reels and you've got pornography at your freaking fingertips and you can quickly give yourself these quick little 30 minute dopamine rushes over and over and over again. Like you lose a prey drive to actually go, like, find a beautiful woman. Sure, you lose a prey drive to go out to. You know, I've been married since pretty much high school, so I'm speaking from perspective here. But you, you, you lose a drive to I don't know where people meet. Go out, like you know they're on Tinder and shit and shit right now. Like, so you're not going to go out to a bar, you're not going to have the balls to go ask someone at safeway well, let's take it even to the next.
Speaker 2:What about doordash? I mean, we don't have to go like that food just comes to you.
Speaker 1:We don't have to do any of that shit anymore so like you can sit around and be freaking lazy and survive. Yeah, the problem is, people can only survive for so long when you don't have, when you don't have a something that you're chasing, when you don't have something to awaken you, something to wake you up in the morning, something that you want so damn bad. It's like uh grant cardone talks about it when he found uh, what's his wife's name?
Speaker 2:um elena, elena, yeah, yeah she.
Speaker 1:She turned him down like seven freaking times and he in his mindset I want that right, so he ended up becoming the man that had to earn that shit and that drove him to do better and better until she got he got to the level where she was attracted to him.
Speaker 1:Right. So what if everyone had that prey drive and everything they did in life, from waking up and going to the grocery store and picking out the correct food, from trying to go out and find the partner that they're going to be with from their business? Everything the problem is is we can get those same emotional rushes because seconds we're all. We're all human, humans are all animals.
Speaker 1:The only thing we want to do on on earth is procreate and protect our family. That's like how every animal is. We're no fricking different. So when we give ourselves the, the, the hormonal rushes or the chemical rushes that that those things are supposed to satisfy, we don't actually go out and do anything. We don't go out and build a business. We don't go out and work our ass off so we can get that promotion. We don't go out and get out of our comfort zone. We don't get out of the house and talk to anybody and it may not even be a romantic relationship, just maybe a networking connection because you're able to say oh, I feel like shit. Oh, turn my phone on a little dopamine. A little dopamine, I feel okay, I'm going to die.
Speaker 2:You made the comment about people that will post earn it. That's why I love martial arts, right?
Speaker 1:Because for the fact that let's give you a little intro real quick, okay, sweet, so you love martial arts because we'll stop there. So I've got Aaron Hensley here with me today. We're just rolling through the podcast, so we have your background minute minute and a half, 20 minutes. I don't care.
Speaker 2:I've been in martial arts since I was two years old. My dad started when he was 13 by watching Bruce Lee movies, getting inspired from that. He was an ADHD kid back in the time, when it wasn't medicated like it is nowadays or whatever. So martial arts he connected with. He. Barely graduated high school, he started laying carpet. He got married super young. My mom was 18. He was 20. They had me two years later, and so martial arts was going to be the way he could communicate, to connect with me, and so we did martial arts our whole life. His dream was to do it as a career. I'm 12 years old. He finally buys a martial arts school. We started a journey of entrepreneur. I mean, he was an entrepreneur, you know, owning his own trucks in the carpet business. But I learned my black belt from Chuck Norris at 12 years old. I was the youngest at the time. My son's beat that record. Since then, seventh degree black belt, currently under Chuck Norris, a master level black belt.
Speaker 2:I've taught martial arts since I was 12 years old, built 24 martial arts schools across six different states, 54 full-time employees, $7 million in annual revenue. Sold that to private equity in 2022. And so now coach, consult, whatever you want to call it for the people in the space of martial arts. And then I'm launching a new brand in the space specifically for teaching martial arts to kids, because I want to build resilience in kids. We've talked about that and uh, so my son is uh, traveling the world competing in martial arts. He's 17. My daughter wants to run the company instead of teach. Um, she'll be 12 next next month but uh, we're martial arts fans. Some people are baseball family. We're martial arts family. That's what we do. And uh, I've promoted over a thousand people to black belt.
Speaker 2:when I sold my company at the time, we had 3 700 kids in our program and, uh, my goal is to take that to a whole new level so the reason you love martial arts yeah, so is because I was two years old when I started training martial arts and kids didn't do martial arts in the 80s like that right, the credit kid movie just kind of come out the only people did martial arts. You had to be 16 to take class. Typically they didn't let women, it was men, only kind of tough guy. Three hour classes, no air conditioning, beat the shit out of each other type thing, and the only reason I was taking classes because you know, my dad was teaching. So you know, having a two and a three year old sit somewhere for three hours much less, you know, for 30 minutes, much less three hours not really a, you know, for 30 minutes, much less three hours, not really a thing. But uh, but my dad was really hard on me because it was the only way he knew how to parent. And so I was 12 when I took my Bible test. So it was 10 years of training. Now, if you told an average kid he signed up at seven, you're gonna be 17 for your in your black belt. They're not doing it nowadays, right, the fast food nation we live in. So. But it was 10 years before I could take my black belt test and so I was, you know, prepared mentally, emotionally, physically, all those things.
Speaker 2:But the year after earning my black belt I grew literally, I think I think, everything I learned in 10 years. I learned tenfold of that in one year after because it was the first time that I did something super hard for me. My dad could train me, my coaches could train me, prepare me, but I had to do something for me and it gave me a blueprint of like there's joy in hard work, because the dopamine hit is different because you earned it. And so what I loved about, what I still love about martial arts is you can learn in a group setting, but your journey is it's all about self-discovery. You're learning about. Who you are as a man, woman, child doesn't matter, it doesn't discriminate against anybody.
Speaker 2:There's something that's always going to be difficult to do in martial arts, whether it's combat, whether it's just learning something that your body and motor skills aren't developed, whether it's sometimes you have your own personal battles to even get to a class, for example. As an adult, it's a little bit different because you're dealing with life and so, man, I just want to go train. So I think the idea that I learned that there's joy in hard work and that you earn something that's not given to you, that blueprint, and if you can give that to kids, build that resilience in them and I think it's the same thing as like being in church today. The message today was about understanding that when you're in that valley he was talking about, that's really where you're closer to God. You think that's where hope's being really developed. You have to have those battles to get the character.
Speaker 2:Martial arts gives you the ability to earn that character every single class. You fail every class if you have a great instructor, right, great teacher. So that's what I love about martial arts is it's constantly challenging you and it grows with you. Right? A four-year-old version of me compared to a 44-year-old version of me. The challenge is different. What I want from it is different, right, different. What I want from it is different, right. So I think it gives the ability to give you a group setting so you can grow with people, like going to church. It gives you an ability to have that, but you have your own mission, your own discovery and own timeline to be able to do it. So and it builds resilience in people. That just like military if I had a choice to hire somebody with military experience, or not 100%, rather, have somebody because it, because I know they have a structure to them. Martial, martial arts is the same thing. Yeah, they've done shit.
Speaker 2:That the average person doesn't want to do, and you can start so young now. So like imagine a seven-year-old that spends four or five years learning and earning, setting a goal and earning a black belt, and then using that skill set for something Kids don't. They want the participation trophies they want. I mean, I don't think they want it. I think we've, as a culture, stopped wanting to have hard conversations at the beginning. Here's the thing I learned about business Anytime I hired somebody because I got sold on who they were, they always ended up being a bad employee.
Speaker 2:When I was hard at the beginning hard meaning hard to get the job I took my time, made hard steps to get the job. Hard on the first 90 days If they didn't hit a metric, they're not there and hard on that, those became the best team members because we were able to weed out the bullshit quicker. And then, if they made it through that process, they understood the culture and we're protecting it. We're a family. Now We've become. It's a culture. So same thing a new student starting we were so worried about the money that you won't be hard on them at the beginning. So you kind of promise them everything but deliver nothing. They never make it a black belt. Yeah, you know. So I think start hard and finish better. That's how I hire people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, first 30 days. You know, in the sales world, first 30 days. I give you just enough training that I'm not completely wasting your time.
Speaker 2:But then I give you the crappiest shitty leads that exist.
Speaker 1:It's a test. You know greg greg is a prime example. You were talking to him and you know him. Um, I kind of brought him on the team, took him under my wing and for the first 30 days and I was semi-real with him I'm like, hey, this is gonna be a bitch, yeah. And what I wanted to see is I didn't want to see how good he was, I didn't want to see how well, I wanted to see that he was coachable, but I wanted to see that he was willing to put the extra time and effort into you. If you're not willing to do the work, I'm not going to give you all my time and energy. I'll tell you. If you're willing to suck and just put in the work and try, all right, we can go a long time it's coachable, right.
Speaker 2:So you made a comment about college a while back, so I'm going to tell you this. So during COVID, I doubled that year because everyone's freaking out of creative Right and because of what I understood was is one because I had scale. Before that I was already on zoom, I was already doing a lot of stuff that people didn't know how to use, and then when people are freaking out, I take myself to zero at the beginning of the month, every month anyway. So I'm used to like back against the wall, faking that process. So I doubled that year. But, uh, I interviewed probably personally over a thousand people that year because I was in the, I was expanding and I was buying schools that were freak people freaking out. So and I wish I were to save some of these recordings because some of the people like I thought I was being punked but I wasn't. Like there's some weird people out there in the martial arts space particularly. But what I learned throughout that process one I learned that you know, trying to hire people in general there's a lot of craziness out there but one I learned about a process of, and I learned about like where's people expectations, and so one of the things I'd ask people is like, well, okay, well, you know, let's.
Speaker 2:When you get to the point you're talking about money and salary and things like that what are you, what are you? What are you looking to make? Right, you asked somebody a question and these are people that were doing their interviews and you know, wife beater and shorts in front of a farm type thing, and they're like well, you know, I'll come for a hundred thousand a year that's a teaching martial arts, by the way where the average owner of a school doesn't make a hundred K a year. Take on pay. And I'm like, oh, okay, and and oh, and I only want to teach eight classes a week. And blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:And it wasn't like one or two people like common theme was like well, I think I'm worth about 70,000, 80,000 a year. Now my highest earners salary was about 35, 40 K, but they were earning a hundred K in bonus structure. Right, they were earning it, not giving it. People just want to be guaranteed to come teach at your school, not learn your curriculum, not your process, but they want to guarantee. They want all the upside, none of the work. And that was like this is what we've been programming all these kids with all this participation trophies is like just expect everything. Come out of college, make a hundred K, but you've. You have no skills, you're at you're overeducated with no skills.
Speaker 1:It's what you said earlier. A lot of times when people have an opinion, you ask them why. You know we do the same thing. I do the same thing Anytime interviewing someone is.
Speaker 2:Oh, I want to you know, be 120.
Speaker 1:Okay, why, yeah, and they can't even sell themselves, right? Oh, yeah'm looking for is confidence. All I'm looking for is some bs reason that I'm like, all right, you believe it. Yeah, it's complete nonsense, but you believe it so much you might actually be able to do it right. But you know that's. That's the thing about college and I keep going back to that. I'm not just completely dogging on college, but I think it hurts a lot of kids. I think it hurts a lot of people. I think it systemizes, or I'd rather people join the military instead of college.
Speaker 1:Yeah, You'll learn a lot more. I'd rather you go get a blue collar job for three years and you know, maybe you love it. You open your own blue company or you know, roofing company, construction company, or, like me, I worked, uh, my, uh, my wife's dad, boyfriend, girlfriend at the time. But uh, I remember he came over, it was my, I think it was. Sophomore, junior year of high school. Knocks on my door. Hey, it has fired a couple of people. You want a job? I didn't need a job, right.
Speaker 2:I didn't want a job Right.
Speaker 1:But I wasn't going to say no, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I guess. So I went and worked. Yeah, this is my father-in-law now.
Speaker 1:And he was a general contractor custom home builder. And I remember working my dick off for that.
Speaker 2:I hated every fricking learn what you didn't want to do. I'm not a person.
Speaker 1:So it taught me I did not want to do physical labor in my life. So my dumb ass joined the military. Um, but it taught me a lot about myself. One it taught me I didn't like that too. It kind of taught me hard work. Come to find out, uh, his brother who owned it with him. I became I mean, I was good friends with the family the whole time he's like, by the way, I fucking hated you when you worked for me. I told Gary to fire your ass.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:And he's like dude, you were useless.
Speaker 2:I thought I tried really hard Apparently. That was not my thing, that was not your thing.
Speaker 1:You're not cut off for that at all later, but I just learned, like you're going to work hard, sure, and who was? Oh, steve Weatherford was on stage yesterday and he had this poem and I wish I had it.
Speaker 1:Um, but it was basically being poor as hard being rich as hard being fat as hard thin as hard and it was just a bunch of them and like it went on for too long. But it went on just long enough because by the end of it you're starting to get bored and you're like, yeah, all this bullshit in my life, everything in my life, he just fricking covered in one way shape or form and I can do that. That's going to be hard. I'm bitching about doing it because it's going to be hard, but also I'm not happy where I'm at and that's kind of freaking hard too.
Speaker 1:So you get this choice but you've got to do hard shit and luckily I learned coming out of the military. I mean, I love the military, don't get me wrong. Taught me a lot about myself. It took me from a 20 year old cocky little shit that you know had million dollar ideas but had no discipline, no work ethic, to oh my gosh, you're a little bitch like everybody else. You've got to learn discipline. You've got to work, learn work ethic. You actually got to work hard.
Speaker 1:Coming out of the military I knew like I love the teamwork. I loved you know I love training soldiers. That was one of my biggest things. That's how I got into coaching is I just always wanted to because I had to learn a skill that I could coach others on. But I always kept that and I think that's truly the reason I work for Andy is not because I never actually imagined working for him until pretty much the day we said something I didn't have.
Speaker 1:Like a lot of guys are like, oh my gosh, I hope I work for you one day and then they put in the work and they get the opportunity prior to the day. Him and I having that first conversation never even cross my mind, never even consider. I knew I was going to do this someday, but I never said I'd work with Andy Um. But I think all the actions I did in life, all the crap that I learned, all the extra hours I put in, led up to this, because it was just I was creating who I wanted to be and it just connected with this in some way and it was just through hard work. Now I learned that I don't like physical labor. Now I can do physical labor. I can run circles around people. I love all the haters, the farmers right, you'd come do a hard day's work.
Speaker 2:I'm like bitch, you couldn't keep up, and I know you're chucking bales all fricking day and I'll still run circles around you why?
Speaker 1:Cause I'm in better shape than your fat ass. You're going to die of a heart attack.
Speaker 1:I'm going to just going to suck the whole time, but I'm not, my heart ain't going to explode, but uh, I learned that have some incredible IQ, or I'm not just this per like. I'm the most introverted person in the Elliot group and I truly believe that 10 years ago you find me at a grocery store and you're the loser that wants to make small talk with me, cause you're just a weird person Like I would literally look at the ground and mumble to make it awkward for both of us, so you would leave me alone. Now it's comfortable. I thought it big shit and the one thing I know I am out of everything is a man of my word. So all that dumb shit.
Speaker 1:I promise I've got to freaking. Uh, I've got to make up on it. I've got to make it come true, and a lot of it requires a lot of freaking money. So I don't want to go drive nails. I don't want to go become a GC Um about it. For a while I had really good connections in that field, could have done it, but I was like you know what I'm going to. I'm going to work with my mouth. I'm going to talk. Like literally my whole childhood, everyone told me I couldn't talk shit to everybody and get paid.
Speaker 2:I couldn't just you know, yell at people all day and get paid. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1:You know, somehow I'm doing pretty good with it, but it was. It was just honestly like I wanted to do and being myself as much as I could every freaking day so that's what college should be.
Speaker 2:College should be like let's go figure out who you are, yes, what you're best at, and let's put you in that position. That's what it really should be. That's what. Going back to martial arts, martial arts is self-discovery. It's not self-defense, it's self-discovery yeah and self-defense is the vehicle is a sport of martial right.
Speaker 2:It's the vehicle of really figuring out who you are and giving the freedom. Bruce Lee was more philosopher, in my opinion, than martial artist, because if you really read a lot of stuff, he was writing what he talked about, like we saw the physical part of it, but really he was talking about, like you know, everyone wanted to study him because he was successful and he was trying to tell you no, don't study what, who, how I learned the, the, the overview. It's like Jeet Kune do his martial arts style, people. What he was trying to create was you learn a baseline of skill sets, you figure out how you operate and then the martial arts wraps around you so, like, you learn skills that fit to you. But problem was is people idolized him and they were like no, no, we're going to do it and they and what most martial arts are? They're hard and rigid and you have to wrap around it, you, you have to become what it is, and so, and so the message got lost a little bit because people idolize people.
Speaker 2:Right, we see the great leaders and we worship them instead of respect them. We uh, anti-toxic being used or being respected and a lot of times, people they, they follow, they become uh, they become fanatic instead of seeing, like, even fanatic instead of seeing, like even. Look at somebody like Trump, for example. There's people that are so fanatical against him and so fanatical for him they can't be logical again. Right, they're actually been sold. They've become so emotional, driven by it, that there's no logic applied to it. And it's hard because, again, depending on your influences in your life and who's you know barking in your ear, kind of where you steer and who you don't want to disappoint or who you don't want to let down, my dad's very passionate about his political state and also he's older, so then they really don't give a shit what they say. But I also want to be respectful, but I don't want to also be someone who doesn't have my own beliefs. So it gets tough when you love people and you're not always eye-to-eye on things, right?
Speaker 1:I agree, dude, I have a brother. Uh, I won't drop his name, but I got three brothers. So if you really want to know, you can figure it out, but two of them live in Eugene Oregon.
Speaker 2:If you don't know about Eugene Oregon, I had a business in Oregon, so yeah, oh, it's liberal as hell. Yeah, westland. You know that's the, it's kind of uppity but fancy Portland it is, but also during COVID time for running a martial arts school. It was not a great state for that kind of business.
Speaker 1:That whole state we left her.
Speaker 2:I sold my school. I was like I'm not going to be there.
Speaker 1:So my brother's very, very liberal and it's funny because I'm not and I love the guy. Take politics like I can hang out with liberals yeah, I love debate. Yeah, don't, don't be a hater debate like have some facts, have some have some beliefs that you can back right. Yes, and I'll be real. I gotta say this for a second I'm really rooting for this epstein list. We need to release this because I've talked a lot of shit.
Speaker 2:I don't know enough about it, but here's my thing is is it? They say there's nothing now there oh now it's yeah.
Speaker 1:Now there's no list or anything but that's some bullshit. Right, that's gotta be bullshit because I'm gonna have to eat a lot of my for it's gotta be bullshit that there's not a list there's got to be a list. I don't. I really don't think he's on it, because if he was on it, I think during the election at least a partial amount of the list would have been maybe not.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you were against trump, you would have released it. If you knew it would have biden or somebody.
Speaker 1:Obama, obama was president for the third term, not b.
Speaker 2:But anyways, somebody would have leaked at least a section of it to prove that he was.
Speaker 1:So I don't think he's on it. Maybe there's something that incriminates him or maybe it smears his name or family name. Maybe I'll probably not get shot. I'm going to get killed for this one. I actually think Mossad and the CIA are both involved deeply and because they're both involved, they both don't want it out. Ah, like that's. That's my true theory, is I think that my second theory is we're using it against other nations and we've got some really, really good blackmail.
Speaker 1:I got you okay, those are my two, but I could buy either one of those. I also need something, because he's pissing some people off right now, including myself, and I'm like dude, I've talked a lot of shit, yeah come on, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't believe there be nothing on it. It's kind of like the whole ditty thing, which I didn't follow much, but it's like so much to do about nothing. Sometimes it's like is it's just all massive distraction? Like what's really going on?
Speaker 1:like what's really going on and I'm okay with the weird stuff. Like I'm not. I'm a pretty conservative person, but I'm okay. If you want to be weird, if you want to go do your weird stuff, I'm I would say I'm a libertarian, probably.
Speaker 2:Whatever you do in your house, do whatever you want, don't harm anybody. Don't harm anybody else. If you're whatever you want to do, as long as it's not harming another human being, do it.
Speaker 1:I think I lean the same way. I think keep the alt communities out of mainstream society.
Speaker 2:You don't need to be teaching them yeah.
Speaker 1:Do it in your house. I love conspiracy theories. Don't hurt anybody else like I don't need to teach everyone my conspiracy theories, um, but uh, yeah, don't, don't, don't try to mainstream what's not mainstream.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like don't force if you want to be weird.
Speaker 1:If you want to be goofy, go be weird. I'm weird or goofy sometimes like I have weird shit that I like, that I mean I'm pretty open and I don't really care what you think of me, so I pretty much tell everyone anything. But some people think my shit's fucking goofy yeah some people think, uh, god dang, why does it matter? I'm trying to think, yeah, but why would it matter? Really, right, we, we?
Speaker 2:care too much about other people's opinions yeah, but it's like sometimes what's your biggest conspiracy theory that you like?
Speaker 1:conspiracy theory. I know it's true, the moon landing dude you think. Do you think? Okay, let's go?
Speaker 2:oh, I love this one. Now you're fucked because.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's go so let's get some perspective here.
Speaker 2:So like wait, do you believe it was real or not?
Speaker 1:we're gonna get there okay, so I'm 36 years old, you're.
Speaker 2:You said way older than you. Yeah, all right 44. Yeah, yeah, 44, so I'm not that old, so that's a lot about the same understanding of it.
Speaker 1:We learned about it, we weren't present for it. You think, okay, I don't know, we didn't land on the moon. 100, okay, I am 100 certain. What do you think? And then we'll get into it all right.
Speaker 2:So, truth, you're wrong truth is here's, here's the way I come with it. Uh, how can we not do it right now? Yeah, that's 100. There's no way we landed on the moon. How can we not do it now, when this duct tape thing did it and we have video? We?
Speaker 1:have a cell phone that has 20 times the computing power of the entire freaking huge building they had with supercomputers, and I get technology, I get how it's scaled, I get how it grows. We we, the freaking president, had a phone call with him on the moon on live tv, and there's a delay on a walkie talkie when I hit you a mile away right.
Speaker 2:Well, I was on a call before this and it dropped off and I'm like I'm in scottsdale, how's it drop off here in vegas that has the worst cell service ever? How? Does and no other nation has done it right, okay, and why aren't we going there like every week, like just like round trip? Let's go hang out, let's pause, let's go hit some ball balls.
Speaker 1:That's weird doing some cool stuff and so like. Start looking at the footage and the footage you know you got the multiple shadows but then my question is why would we?
Speaker 2:why do we? Why? What would be the reason of saying we did it and fake it?
Speaker 1:russia just a well, because jfk talked a lot of shit right, just a dick measuring it's kind of the same thing. Exactly it's the same thing going on politics right now. Jfk talked a lot of shit right, and we can get into jfk conspiracy theories and massad and even cooler stuff but jfk talked a lot of shit and said we will be on the moon. There was a space race. You know russia beat us to put in a rocket in northern why didn't these other countries go out and do it themselves anyway?
Speaker 1:well, they tried. But why can't we do it? Well, because our asses owned hollywood. No, I'm saying, why can't we do it right now? Because we've never been there. They say that. And then then why? Why?
Speaker 2:is it they say they lost their technology?
Speaker 1:but exactly, we still have the jfk files. We still have all this stuff. Even before that, we have files from lincoln's assassination hold on a second, but we lost the moon.
Speaker 2:We're still on the moon, for example.
Speaker 1:We are, we are.
Speaker 2:Okay, so so Elon went and saved these people up in space, right?
Speaker 1:Saved yeah.
Speaker 2:And which? Why is he not like great Like? Why wasn't that everywhere Like people kind of stuff, that a little bit, that's a great story, right.
Speaker 1:But I understand, but it should be an American story period it should just be a great story.
Speaker 2:It is 100% American, a human story. Fuck America.
Speaker 1:It's a human story, yeah because he's not even originally American, he's South African. You're right, it's a great human story. That should be a world. This is one man in any country.
Speaker 2:This is like hey, we used success, his success, his ability to save people from being, with all the tech that he has and all the stuff he's doing with landing rockets, which is cool, like because I have space tomorrow, because I've been fascinated with space since I was a kid, right, why can't we? Just why can't we? Tomorrow goes to the moon. What's the? He wants to go to Mars, but we haven't been to the moon. Why can't we, if Mars is going to be a reality at some point on?
Speaker 1:another practice run.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's just go tomorrow tomorrow, right now, like why, elon, let's go, let's roll, we can't we, we can't because we've never why isn't russian done?
Speaker 1:it. Why isn't china done it? Yeah, they're trying right now.
Speaker 2:Right, they had a little mess up, so what's what's now? Again, it doesn't seem like a course. I know it's like way more complicated. We're making it, but it's like not that far away. It's right there, we can see it, let's go. We've got supposedly the tech now to do all this crazy shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they say it's it's. The funny thing is they say it's more expensive now and that's not why they want to go. So you're telling me everything in the world, technology, fuel, everything has gotten cheaper, right.
Speaker 2:And we can't just for the tech to go to the moon. That's the one. Okay, go ahead. No, no, no, go ahead. I like this.
Speaker 1:Okay, do you know the dark side of the moon stuff? No, do you understand? Prove it. This part's proven. This is fact, okay.
Speaker 2:We have never seen the back side of the moon from Earth.
Speaker 1:Huh, Because the moon rotates at its perfect speed.
Speaker 2:So as it's rotating around the Earth. You on the other side, the moon is also placed.
Speaker 1:The moon is 1 400th of the size of the sun, or whatever the hell it is. So the moon is like 1 400th of the way from the sun to earth and it's also 1 to 400th of the size. So that's why we get a perfect solar eclipse. Gotcha, okay, we've never seen the backside. It's positioned perfectly in the solar system. It's the perfect size, orbiting at the perfect distance that we can actually get a full solar eclipse, because otherwise you'd always have a little bit of the sun going off right, so it's in a perfect place in our solar system or in our universe or almost like whatever the fuck it is.
Speaker 1:And then if you study back 5 000 years ago to no one ever reported the moon. No one ever reported the moon. The moon has only been in history for roughly 3 500 4 000 years. Is the first sightings of the moon. Okay, and we can't see the back side there so what's your?
Speaker 2:where are you proposing?
Speaker 1:alien docking station. I believe it. It's there. It's the only thing that makes sense now imagine you've seen star wars. Right, of course it's a fucking death star yeah.
Speaker 2:So next question is do you, do you believe in aliens? Oh, hell yeah do you believe aliens are us, or are they actually something else?
Speaker 1:oh, that's a good one. No, we could go. We're in simulation theory now. Yeah, um, I love this conversation now.
Speaker 2:No, because this is awesome so my brother, because I I'm starting to believe that we're the aliens so dude I'm, I don't know.
Speaker 1:We can't be the aliens because alien, by definition, can't be us, but we could have been created from aliens in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 2:I I think the terminator movie is more real. I think I think we're so far in the future and in another world, wherever you want to call this that, because even now they're proven that we're finding stuff that we can't explain, that how's we created the second but it's before us, like nuclear technology or the thing they found on the pyramids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's some crazy shit bro so it's like so hold on a second. So like maybe we get to as far in the future that we've created, whether time travel or weekend whatever. And we're so either because either the technology we're creating is going to be, it's going to take over, or we have to simulate to it, or we have to battle it. Right, the Terminator movie is more, it's going to be more science reality and science fiction.
Speaker 1:At some point, so I have this weird vivid memory as a kid. It's like one of those trauma memories. You remember everything about it and it's not even trauma. So my liberal brother that I was talking about earlier, we're camping as kids middle of the woods of Oregon. We're sitting in the tent, you know, staying up late to be cool and stuff, and we're young, young I'm probably 12, so he's eight or something like that.
Speaker 1:We're sitting in a tent and we're just talking and Adam, if he ever hears this, it'd be pretty cool, because I vividly remember this. He's sitting and he's like he had this theory and I think he probably just learned what an atom or a nucleus was in school and stuff like that. And he's like what if humans essentially are all part of another atom structure, of a larger life form? I could go a little deeper into it, but that's essentially what it is and at first I'm like that's actually some high level thinking dude like that's your process in your brains.
Speaker 1:You haven't started using drugs yet. Good job. Um, it's amazing. But then, like, as I get further and further in life, like I'm starting to like that kind of might be it like I think joe rogan's got a prime example my dr joe rogan my dr joe rogan uh is like what if we're here? What if we are another form of life's essentially ai like have you ever seen the video game the sims?
Speaker 2:where you make your own little family houses and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:What if we're just some bigger form of life's sims? So, and then that could be our god, which makes perfect sense. And how religion is is we're living a higher forms life and we're living in this like weird simulation. And then when you study the bible, a lot of it connects as far as, like in the sims, like you can control the character. You could go make them get food if they want, but if you don't, actually prompt them to do anything.
Speaker 2:They kind of just like their own stupid thing yeah, and what happens if you like?
Speaker 1:okay, so this is my age bracket, so I've played the sims before me too. If you don't do anything with them, they pretty much sit on the freaking couch all day nothing their, their hunger and their stuff goes up until they're in the red and they're all stressed out and sick and they don't take a piss on their own and they sit around and get lazy.
Speaker 2:So what if we're in a?
Speaker 1:simulation for something else like that. Because and then we're just here, we're just here set to create a worse. We're there 40,000, a hundred thousand years further in us and they're just playing us. We're their AI, we're their creation, we're their fun.
Speaker 2:So so this is going to be a little blasphemous. So most of my family is military or ministry, so a lot of pastors in my family, a lot of people in the military in my family. I'm kind of the outlier and so when I was a little kid I'm talking about four years old I know exactly where I was at. I was on Diane Drive, neighbor's house, on a swing and I was singing a song like talking to God, me and myself. I'm four years old and I started having this dream literally like daydream, and I've had the same dream for 40 years now and I recognize as a kid. People told me I was weird, but it's like I could make myself go to bed and dream this dream every day and it was the end of times. All right, jesus is coming back, type thing. The world's splitting apart, people are like disappearing or whatever, and like I'm kind of left behind, I'm having to kind of choose who I'm going to fight for, type thing. And it was such a vivid dream I would get excited and scared to go to sleep at night and I was like I want to be a filmmaker one day because I want to turn this into, I want to storytell, okay. So that's what I went to school for I wanted to film. To do that I'm named after, actually a film director and um, so that was like this driving force in my life and I've always struggled with my faith of like is god real, not real, right? I can't prove it, I think it's somewhat normal, right, but my vision for my whole life I think I've told you this recently is there's this little boy and he's on his knees and there's, like you know, those tables you have for kids where they put all their legos on top of them, they play.
Speaker 2:This kid's on his knees, playing with this stuff and, hey, son, it's time for dinner, time to come in. I'll be there in a minute, dad. And he's playing with those legos, whatever. It's like. A camera starts, gets closer to him, okay, and he has one of those things. It's like tick, tock, tick you know those like balls, whatever, and he's playing with it. He's just playing with it, right. And you hear, I told you it's time to come for dinner. Alright, dad, I'll be there in a second. The camera kind of comes closer to him. Jesus, I told you it's time to come for dinner. All right, dad, I'm coming and you see, and there's little balls, it's just the planets and this little kid, jesus, just playing with these balls and we're just some science project he's just created, basically right. So my image is like we're just somebody's that has this crazy amount of abundant power, just a little sim little project, basically right, whether that's simulation theory in the future or whatever process, whatever.
Speaker 2:But a lot of things just don't make sense. That we can find this technology, that we couldn't explain the whole thing now, the pyramids, that if we don't even know what's under the oceans, much less and like it's so crazy, much less space, definitely. How do we go to the moon? How are we going to get to Mars? And then, if all this, if you really like, if you really could tell, if you could tell the world that God isn't real, that we actually created this whole thing, the world would be chaos Talking about chaos. So the Bible, religion, faith, politics is all control mechanisms. And, look, I can choose to still believe and still also know that. Hey, look, I can't prove this to anybody, I just have to make a choice.
Speaker 1:Well, and if you and I'm not an expert in many religions, I just try to educate myself a little bit where I can. But if you look into, like the christianity, for example, like the thing that god gave us, that, you know, assuming you believe in christianity, he gave you free, or christianity he gave you the free will, sure. So you know that's it can be, you know, dialed into christianity there. But yeah, I see where you're coming and it. It's something that I find incredibly. When we talk religion, when we talk conspiracy, when we talk science, what did and didn't happen? All that? A lot of these scientists that were atheists, and I'm kind of in the same place you are, I've gone in, out, in, out, you know, through the military. I'm like, hey, if there was a God, he would never do anything that's where I struggle with, you know.
Speaker 2:It's like it's like just some of the crap, some stuff doesn't make sense, right? It's like good buddies, like why would he go through that suffering? Or like people who do bad things get ahead, and like the good people are ones that get shit on, like that's where I struggle with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then I also believe religion is all based and however you label it, whether you're muslim, christian, jewish, buddhist, like it's all based on a belief and a connection that you truly feel, because that's what most bibles say. Once again, I really only well I know the quran and I know um the uh, king james for sure. That's kind of my two references that I've actually tried studying a little bit but like both of them, it's still like a connection and a feeling you have. But what it really dials into is like you connect all these things and you look at guys like Albert Einstein, right Atheist in his entire life. At the end of his life, all of a sudden he found Christ. You've got Einstein's Jesus Great book out there that kind of connects science and Christianity. And then you've got that other guy that recently on Twitter posted he's got like the recorded highest IQ in the entire world. Posted uh, he's got like the the recorded highest iq in the entire world. Um, he put out he's starting to run. You know the christ thing.
Speaker 1:Um joe rogan has, you know, been a long atheist, forever. You know um outspoken atheist, and he's starting to go explain that there's been a lot of people in science that you know there's this path, and I can't remember who I was talking to. They were talking about it as the more and more you get into science you're gonna. You know you may. You may grow up in a christian family. You go to school, the doctorate, you you'll lose your christian faith and then all of a sudden, you get to this level of understanding of science where it's almost like there has to like the probability of there not being some sort of higher function is less than the probability of there is.
Speaker 1:And then it's like okay, now there is because if you, if you believe we're here, 100 randomly, then what do you do? Yeah, there's a guy that pisses me off at mcdonald's. Do I shoot him in the face?
Speaker 2:might as well because if I'm here randomly, whatever, it doesn't matter, right? Like, like I mean trust me, don't do that right. Don't do that if I'm here randomly.
Speaker 1:He's prison. That bad of a place. Right like I'm gonna get free food I'm gonna get free bullshit health care I'm gonna get ability.
Speaker 2:A little bit of your life I'm gonna have complete predictability.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying I ever want to go to prison and for those people that have dealt with it, I'm sure you're like you're an asshole. I completely understand. I am um, but if it's random it's not that bad of a place, right and then, if that's the case, then nothing ever matters.
Speaker 2:why are we chasing all this stuff?
Speaker 1:anyway, just go do the fuck you want to do so there has to be, there has to be something and maybe, maybe if you, maybe even if you don't truly believe and this is where I think society, another area I think society gets lost a lot is if you don't believe in anything. Your mind wanders and your mind starts to go to the chaos world.
Speaker 1:It starts to go to the just random probability and then your, your actions, don't matter for society, you're living for yourself. So people need community, community and a lot of times when you lose, maybe, religion, and that's what a lot of um your beliefs are built on. Because, like my entire life, britney and I myself I like pretty much I've always followed the christian values yeah, if I've ever done something wrong. I always know it's wrong. It's generally based because I was, you know raised lutheran catholic light.
Speaker 1:So I've always followed christian values because I mean, overall, like, let's take, let's make the bible. Overall, like, let's take, let's make the Bible, not the Bible. Let's take it as fiction Sure, the Bible, not even fiction but let's take it as science versus religion, the Bible just becomes a really good self-help book. Yeah, it is Like that's all it freaking is.
Speaker 2:I think a lot of it is fiction. I think it's fable based A lot of it I don't think.
Speaker 1:But the problem is yes, a lot of it is story-based.
Speaker 2:Because what happens is, the further you get removed from what is real, it becomes the fishtail type story. What is our Bible?
Speaker 1:Most of us, read the King James Version and that's been translated 40 times before that. And you're telling me King James didn't throw his little twist in there, Exactly.
Speaker 2:You tell me a story right now. I'll tell the next guy. It's gone automatically. That's one person removed removed.
Speaker 1:Yep, you do that over generations come on now.
Speaker 2:I think it was written in a way of documenting.
Speaker 1:Yeah documentary and I think it was written to document events that wouldn't be understood yet correct a lot of it, yeah, through science or whatever the nature was, but we still have to connect to something like that. Um, I got a question for you then okay, I don't know where we're going, this conversation uh, you just gotta you gotta tell me when we're wrapping up but question yeah, a couple hours, if you are okay, all right uh door dash some food here.
Speaker 2:Um, why has there not been a book added to the bible?
Speaker 1:why has it stopped? I've never actually dug deep into that, like top of my head. I just want to say science. I want to say because, like the thing about the good, well, there has there has been a book attitude, the bible, well it, just it just depends on what, um, what you believe in.
Speaker 1:Okay, because you have like the book of mormon okay that was added in what, the early 1900s, late I and I could be wrong. It's either early 19 or late 18. I think it was early 1900s that was added. Um, and then you could kind of say the same thing for, uh, like judaism, you know, they're going to say the old testament, why hasn't there been a book added to the bible? Christians are going to say the new testament. Why hasn't there been anything added to the bible? The mormons are going to say, uh, the book of mormon. Why hasn't there been anything after that? So, okay, I think it's a development of the religion and of what your belief is, so based on that, from a christian standpoint, there hasn't been a new prophet or anything and why not?
Speaker 2:well I mean we've had some massive, powerful like rick warrens of the world type thing.
Speaker 1:But you could go back to like the ark story and you could say that I mean you could believe it in many different ways. Like the way I'm immediate comes to head is like you know noah's to like the Ark story. And you could say that I mean you could believe it in many different ways. Like the way immediate comes to head is like Noah's Ark, like the world is kind of going into a chaotic place right now where we're waiting for, maybe, a savior, we're waiting for the next prophet, we're waiting for the next potential flood type event.
Speaker 1:You could also even argue that potentially there has been and there is another book, but it's like it's. You could argue this and I'll use an analogy that I understand a doctor, for example. A doctor goes to school. They go to med school, they get their clinicals done and then they become a doctor and they go practice on their own. There are some doctors not all some doctors that once they get through their clinicals, they quit learning. They take basic med, they take their basic certs. They quit learning new theories. They're not looking for new information, they're not practicing, they're employed doctors. Right, I'm with you, a practicing doctor is always a student and, like medicine, with advanced technology.
Speaker 2:Different understanding.
Speaker 1:Again, exactly in martial arts with different technologies different techniques, different understanding of the human arts with different technologies, different techniques, different understanding of the human body and nutrition and stuff like that. There's a lot of doctors now and covid was a prime example. A lot of them just jumped on the bandwagon and said let's freaking go. Yeah, what's crazy about it? For example, everyone was wearing a six-foot mask. It's that we weren't wearing respirators, we weren't spit masks. Yeah, and every doctor should know that that's actually not stopping that much.
Speaker 2:It's keeping someone from coughing in your face or you spitting on them while you're looking over them I know we're jumping all over the place, but why are they not answering for that shit like why is the former? It's in the epstein files. You think so? No probably, maybe it might be.
Speaker 1:I think I mean, well, they pardoned them for not committing a crime. They pardoned them for possible crimes. Yeah, like I don't know if you need a pardon for a possible crime, but I mean, there's definitely that.
Speaker 2:Well, actually it wasn't a pardon, it was a magic pen did it, I thought?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's a new one the auto pen.
Speaker 2:The autoclave. That's freaking crazy.
Speaker 1:Well, that's pretty much been proven. It was an autoclave to go, that's right and another conspiracy Trump assassination attempt. Which one? Yeah, exactly One or two. For the kid that pulled the trigger, the first one, so the first one in Pennsylvania. How is that not a bigger?
Speaker 2:story. By the way, how is that not a bigger story? That people are just not curious.
Speaker 1:And even Fox News kind of gave up on it, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:People aren't curious about who this person was. And then do you think?
Speaker 1:That's where our society is just so distracted and it goes back to the real theory. But if that was Obama or somebody like that?
Speaker 2:we'd still be talking about it. Oh yeah, 100%. And so this kid has disappeared off planet Earth. Now there's not much to talk about. And then, second, what's your thought about the bullet obviously barely missing? People were saying that was calculated, or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's people saying it was calculated and it was set up First of all, how could you set it up that precise?
Speaker 2:I mean, I just it's like when people tell me that sport games are fixed, I'm like there's too many hands involved.
Speaker 1:Like I shoot a lot and the kid shot iron sights or he might have shot an ACOG or something, I don't know, but it wasn't a high-powered scope. He wasn't highly sniper, sniper qualified and even those competition shooters under those conditions aren't taking a shot that close to someone's head intentionally and missing the ear, like if you're aiming for head, you're aiming center mass if you're in really a lot of times even then you might mean you're aiming for the chest, you're aiming for the biggest part of the body, because likelihood of hitting something right yeah and then you add the stress.
Speaker 1:There was a cop, you know, starting to come up there like that. That incredible amount of stress and you have to be this because like 20 something years old, right or whatever like you have to be incredibly well-trained shooter, like our snipers and stuff, go through a ton of stress training to remain and that's an open shot. That's no one coming up to get you. That's right. You're there. You've got time. Control your breathing focus on target.
Speaker 2:Put it down. You're not shooting a high profile person. You know like where the all the anxiety pressure, whatever your emotional and then you had secret service all around.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you've ever been to any sort of presidential event. There's snipers. I've been in a room when Trump was sitting. You ever look around.
Speaker 2:Well, I was front row when Trump was at an event one time when he was president, and I know about the security you have to go through even just to get in that room. Oh yeah, you have to go through.
Speaker 1:I went to his rally here at helo center is actually the one that rfk was announced. Sweet as hell. But uh, you know, going in there, like I've been to the helo center for coyotes games, all sorts of stuff and instead of having your normal, you know, rented out security guys checking you there were secret service agents checking you and there were probably different checkpoints all sorts of cool stuff and since I'm a military guy and I like understanding, like I just like studying tactics, I think- it's cool.
Speaker 2:I'm looking for all the snipers and see if like to find them.
Speaker 1:They're freaking everywhere. Yeah, so these are highly trained snipers. The secret service is some of the best shooters in the entire military right. Some of the best shooters because of their job right. Um so one if I'm a sniper or if I'm any sort of security force. I can't remember how far it was, like 100 meters away, and it was a relatively flat, very sloped rooftop. Yet some secret service agents were on more of a sloped rooftop. That was even higher. That's going to be one of my main points of concern. One is a security detail. I'm probably just going to shut it down, sure, because the president or the presidential nominee doesn't just show up.
Speaker 1:They send a forward team. They send a team out there a week or so before.
Speaker 2:They're not just surveying the area.
Speaker 1:They're not just surveying the area, they're knocking on doors, they're talking to people, so they're very diligent on what they do when they're bringing these people around. And you've got the most possible obvious target for a sniper to set up, oh, a thousand percent. You don't shut it down or you don't put an agent on top of it, and it was a good standpoint to be at for an agent. You should have a couple guys up there, and I'm not motivation.
Speaker 2:We don't even know a motive. That's what I'm saying. What was the motivation you know like and then then no one talks about it. So that's that's. That's a weird one to go down there and then the next is like all right, I can't buy into any scenario. Where it was, I can. I can see it'd be an internal job, but I can't see that it was intentionally a miss Like I can't.
Speaker 1:No, I can't buy into that. I can't buy it, like they tried to get the propaganda in the media to go.
Speaker 2:I can't see how anybody, even in the most skilled shooter in the world you know, would. Well, I don't get me wrong, but it is not. You're not intentionally missing a shot like that with that. Because because how could you? Because he, trump moves his head like how could?
Speaker 1:you? Yeah, he moves his head and it was a natural move to look at the slide he was talking about. Dude, the best thing is is so when I went to his rally in phoenix, he walks out on stage, all the the sparklers and crap, everyone's cheering, and he stands there for a second pause for effect, slide pops on, he goes because it was the event, right, as I was saying, right.
Speaker 2:I was like damn, that's fucking savage. And now he's a great marketer. I'll tell you he knows how to enter the conversation. Right, but like so, all right, so, but on that, you would have never done it.
Speaker 1:The craziest son of a bitch in the world would have never been like take a shot at my head, but I want you just to raise me.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Why would you ever do that? So that being said, though, is like do you buy into the fact that, like that means he's been saved by God, or whatever, like that, or are you thinking it's all random?
Speaker 1:Well, if you believe in God, you have to. If you believe in God, god, everything's a plan, there's everything set in. And then he was saved by god for something if you don't. I mean, here's the thing even when I, even when I was pushing so hard against god where I wouldn't even talk to somebody about it and I would destroy them if they wanted to debate sure, even when I was there, I still believed. I think I always believed. I just didn't say you're?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was angry stuff like that. But I've always believed that, like we're not there, there's something, there's some sort of frequency, there's some sort of something on earth that is keeping us from all shooting each other in the face and destroying each other. Um, so I've always believed that. So for me to say, if I believed everything was random chance, don't, I don't even know like how, like what would the random chance be? But I mean, maybe that could go to random chance series, just some random.
Speaker 2:By the way, if you're going to use and not that trump means money, but if you're going to use your random chance to, you know that for that damn it like what's the chance of winning lottery one in 300 million or what our crazy number like that? It's like 326 yeah, I'm ready for my random chance of something.
Speaker 1:Yeah no, it's hard to say, it was random like, yeah, I can't buy into that. I just I can't say, I can't even say it was staged like there's no way, there's no way maybe trump's an insane person and someone behind him gets shot. Maybe he has four or five people behind him get shot to make the news, but you put a bullet flying by your head.
Speaker 2:You're not. No, I don't.
Speaker 1:I can't buy into that way dude, you wouldn't even, you wouldn't even get chris kyle to take that shot no, as I'm saying, chris kyle might be alive.
Speaker 2:Um, oh shit. Okay, we won't go into that one, that's all right, but uh, so the moon thing is the best sniper the moon, I the moon.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty much sold that it's I, I'm sold on that.
Speaker 2:I think too. I think I didn't want to buy. I've never given it real thought. But again is like why can't we just go today? Why can't we do it?
Speaker 1:yeah, well, I mean, china's been trying in this now trying.
Speaker 2:Why don't we punk their ass again like bitch? Two times the thing you said about the moon not existing in like pre whatever, that I've never researched, or know anything about.
Speaker 1:So now that's a scary one to get into.
Speaker 2:You'll lose some sleep why can't we see the other side of the moon?
Speaker 1:we have satellites everywhere well, we can, we can see satellite imagery and, but from earth, telescopic imagery, from earth, the higher definition, no, but they don't, but they don't release any of the they say the moon helps with the tides and all that. You don't buy that then yep I haven't got that deep into it because if it wasn't there 5 000 years ago, whatever the timeline is like, I haven't dug that deep into it, because if it wasn't there 5,000 years ago, whatever the timeline is like, I haven't dug that deep into it yet.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right.
Speaker 1:That's like the world's flat theories. I think the world's around, but I can get how you can see it's flat. Even from 7,000 feet it still looks flat.
Speaker 2:Right, it's true. Right, because the way our eyes, yeah, but there's some science and another place at some point, do I think?
Speaker 1:I mean at some point, yeah, yeah, I mean I. So we go back to the pyramids. So I have another theory that I believe. Why?
Speaker 2:are we not talking more about that, or why aren't people like what the fuck is that down there?
Speaker 1:yeah, you know just a two mile hole, that which you know. Russia has that big old deep hole. They dug for whatever the hell they were doing studying and they struggle to get down those steps. I don't think the egyptians created the pyramids. I think the egyptians found the pyramids, and here's, here's where all this goes.
Speaker 2:I mean the, the pyramids we can't even build pyramids, right we?
Speaker 1:can't build something to that extent. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We can't build something to that extent. Precision, those large of rocks, and then I mean those pyramids and the tombs and everything are. I can't remember all of them, but they're all aligned with something astrology wise. Yeah, that to a pin degree like some stupid shit that we even struggle with today with modern technology. That's crazy. So human bones, like you know, we find archaeology digs and all this crap, dinosaur stuff like that civilizations.
Speaker 1:if you don't preserve it and in something stupid, um, we completely, pretty much and even including heavy metals pretty much disintegrate in 100 000 years or something. So I think there was a more modern civilization than we even have today. That was maybe 150, 250,000 years ago that for something, asteroid hit you know global warming, global cooling, something, some catastrophic thing wiped them completely out hundreds of thousands of years ago and that's why we don't have the technologies. They had, the computers and stuff we had. But I I don't think we're the first person to have a lot of the stuff we have. Maybe we have it in different shape and different views and we use it in different fricking ways. But I think technology existed, because you look at the pyramids and there's just so much tech and understanding of the universe that went into them and the measurements, and I mean it's crazy, like some of the dumb theories I hear about how they got those rocks, like oh, they flooded the entire, like do you know how much water that would?
Speaker 2:take exactly like go try to flood your backyard, exactly yeah. Yeah, I have no clue, yeah, that's. I'm just always amazed that we're not. People aren't more like curious or upset or frustrated by that kind of stuff, so it's just like it doesn't even make the news, like that's what I'm saying even the thing with president trump, like the the guy shot him like it barely was barely a news story. I couldn't even tell you his name.
Speaker 1:I exactly, I couldn't even tell you his name, but we know until you, um, um, and now I'm blanking on it since we're live, but uh, uh, uh booth yeah, and then freaking. Y'all have three names yeah, and then the cia for jfk. Yeah, y'all have three names. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, well, oswald was the other one. Yeah, yeah, I should have been able to tell you that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, usually can but uh, but it's uh, yeah, we don't even know his name or anything about him. That's weird. It's so weird and people aren't curious, all right. So the moon thing, though, is like is one of those things. I just don't see how it can be real. All right, I don't know how we got on topic of all that, but that was very uh I love it about day.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to check you out see if I liked you or not. No, I love this conversation. It makes you think I love this conversation.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what debate is really about. Right, it's like a challenge. And see, most people the reason I don't debate is because they don't have conflict resolution. That's why people go zero to 100. Now they want to fight or kill. Like you know what, If I've already challenged my beliefs or if, like the moon thing, I haven't really put a lot of thought into it. But you're asking me on the spot, I'm intelligent enough to really like rationalize and I'm not so emotionally attached to something that you wouldn't maybe change. I want to kill you because you're wrong in my mind.
Speaker 1:Right, like you did to me right there, that a lot of people don't be willing is. You ask about the tides?
Speaker 2:Yeah to it, but I can't remember what it was, but I immediately when you said like oh shit, now I got to think about that right now.
Speaker 1:Right, I challenge everything I know. Right, is the moon responsible for our tides in reality? And two, what would happen if it was removed?
Speaker 2:exactly right, because the thing about this is like a lot of stuff that I'm learning is I was taught certain things and I've never really like yeah, is it like I've never went and fact check it. Because what we tend to do is like, let's say, you're an expert in whatever right playing or fixing a car or something like that, right, and I know zero about it, but I love and trust you, then I'm going to trust you're the right source for it, right? So a lot of times we put a lot of faith in people because we have a relationship with them, like our parents, right. And so now, it's not that I disagree with my parents at all.
Speaker 2:Most of the time we were actually on the same page, but, uh, but I wanted to be my own beliefs and so sometimes, like my dad, my dad the other day was like can't believe you want to do all this stuff, you take all these risks and do all this stuff. I'm like dad, do you not remember who you raised? Right? Because, dad, you would have done the exact same thing I'm doing right now. I'm like the difference is you're, you're on a different level of life, you're in a different thing now. And he's putting that message into where I'm at in my life, where I'm in the. I'm just waking up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you could lose everything tomorrow and still figure right you know.
Speaker 2:So it's like, I think, sometimes it's that context, context and contrast type thing a little bit, you know well, the biggest thing we have to, we have to be willing to challenge our own beliefs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I can tell you this conspiracy theory crap, 15, 10 years, five years ago, 10 years ago for sure, I would have told you you're crazy or something.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, science bitch, yeah, yeah, I would have told you.
Speaker 1:I would have told you 9-11 wasn't an inside job, right? I would have told you the jfk assassination was awful. I would have told you all of that because that's what I was taught, that's what I was and I was, you know, being in the military, it's you follow orders you follow, you don't directive, you don't question. It's freaking america and I'm very patriarchal, I love america.
Speaker 2:There's no better place.
Speaker 1:It's a perfect place, but there is no better place to live, and if you think there's a better place to live, go, try it out and get the hell out october 7th, two years ago, when the war broke out, I was the last fight all the country.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was in israel oh, badass I was teaching martial arts in Jericho, the oldest city in the world.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Shit, that'd be cool. Yeah, it was cool.
Speaker 2:I had people throwing rocks at us. You know teaching, because we were teaching Like. So the person who has it there is like he started a school to help teach actual Christianity and help teach English and help get kids, you know, to America and we went and sponsored a sports camp to do martial arts over there.
Speaker 1:So you've been to Israel. Yeah, october 7th I was last flight, the war kicked off and stuff, so it's probably not as fun.
Speaker 2:You get to go. I did the Dead Sea, Okay, so I floated, and I didn't think I would float because I'm not a great swimmer.
Speaker 1:I was like I'm the one for guys you got some big muscles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm the one guy that's going to drown in the Dead Sea. But I was boring, I felt nothing, I was kind of sad. Actually it's kind of weird because it's like it's like a preview for a movie you've seen your whole life and it's like you go there like, okay, there's a place I did the whole walk through the desert where he did the 40-day walk, whatever did the whole. I followed the same footsteps. I mean, that part was actually my coolest thing.
Speaker 1:I think that would almost be something spiritual it was, it was, but.
Speaker 2:but I'll tell you, it's like um, it's really not much different than being out in the desert in Arizona. It's the same kind of view. I've traveled all over the world, and what makes a place is not the place, it's always just the people.
Speaker 1:And the people that I met there were great.
Speaker 2:People I met were great. I went to Jerusalem, went to Bethlehem, jericho that was the oldest city. It's like people are people. You know, that's what I've noticed, because I've lived in Europe for four years.
Speaker 1:I've been to a couple other places. I know this and I was talking to a Canadian about this. It was actually a Canadian hater on my ex account. That's the only place I actually just straight talk shit to people. You can get away with anything on Twitter or.
Speaker 2:X.
Speaker 1:And there was anything on twitter, yeah, um, and there's this canadian and I try to be a real person, like do I lean right? Am I pretty far right, absolutely. But at the same time, there's, you know, certain things that I don't right. I don't and you're rational, though so it's like somebody can. Yeah, you're not automatically enter like you said libertarian, like, honestly, I'd probably be that if I knew what the hell it was right, study it though, you will.
Speaker 1:yeah. So it was a canadian that was like, uh, something about boycott in America, america, shit this, and that. I'm like look, I'm going to be real with you. 90% of Canadians are awesome people, 90% of Americans are awesome people. 90% of Canadians and Americans don't want this bullshit going on. We still got your back. You still got our back 90% of us don't. It's the loudest no-transcript places in the world to live.
Speaker 2:but I, I'm freaking american, yeah and I'm gonna live here and but. But even even in america I remember my dad because he was until older in life, wasn't as well traveled and because I grew up in the South and my dad grew up in the South that was segregated. When he grew up, you know he talked like the Yankees so the North right, new York's bad, or whatever. And then I go visit. I'm like their speed of life is different because of their culture is different, but they're still people and they might. We want the same outcome. It's just how, how we communicate.
Speaker 2:It might be different, but I like I freaking love new york now. Living there might be different. That's not my pace I want, but I love visiting there, I love going there. Um, it's like california. California is beautiful. I don't like the, the, the structure of their political state, and like they're not very great for business, unless you're massive business. Even then they're all leaving. Yeah, they're all getting the hell out, but uh, but same thing, go to europe, go whatever. Like the people you say oh, they Americans? No, actually they don't.
Speaker 1:Well, even the Middle Easterns, like when we were doing presence patrols in Afghanistan, walking around shaking hands and stuff, like they're smiling, they're about living their lives. And you know us as Americans. We look at it and we're like, oh my gosh, they're you know the cave people.
Speaker 2:They're still living in mud huts and this and that, but they're happy. Yeah, well, actually, I went to Malaysia and then I went to Indonesia, a place called Medan and there's like 4 million people there, and I went in people's houses and you can't be tattooed, I had to wear a long sleeve, can't talk about Christianity. I went to some of the different, like the mosque, whatever, like that, and it's crazy, it's like I was walking. I remember this guy. He didn't speak English but had a translator. He was like, hey, because actually the part we were in only people could do martial arts in the area were the military, the government, and so there was literally an underground church we went to.
Speaker 2:Now at a set time, all of a sudden it was in a cave. All these people from this cave would come from different channels. It's the first time I've ever seen leprosy in real life. It was a three-hour, they had flag girls, it was a presentation, and then all of a sudden everybody goes down their tunnels and disappears and so it's an illegal church and, um, so my dad's one started this in 1989.
Speaker 2:My dad went to ussr, a soviet union at the time. Um and uh, they taught martial arts with with chuck norris because he was filming a movie there. And so they, they had martial art. It was underground. It's illegal. If you were caught teaching or doing martial arts outside of the government you go to prison. And so they. So they taught there was an underground channel of martial arts. Now it's legal there and all that. But he went twice when they were still and my dad would come back and he would kiss the ground in America afterwards. You know like does he recognize how good we have it here? But I was.
Speaker 2:I taught martial arts and that part of Indonesia at the time was illegal. And this guy pulls me aside and the translator was saying hey, he's asking if you do martial arts, and this was not part of our group. I was going to visit a monster. So how the hell? I have no markings of anything. I'm. This is june, and then you're talking about hot. I have to wear long sleeve pants and shirts to cover all my tattoos, right, and uh, he's like the way you walk, he's like. So he brings me to the room and they have vhs still, they don't have modern technology there. Puts in a tape of Bruce Lee and I think it was like Enter the Dragon or one of those movies or whatever that, and this is the only way they've ever seen martial arts like this. And apparently I walked like Bruce Lee. I was like I didn't know I walked this way or whatever. That was a crazy thing, but people are people, no matter what their faith or religion or background is.
Speaker 1:People are people and it's like freedom dude, yeah, or?
Speaker 2:they or they want to be seen and valued and heard and loved and respected and like. So I think that's what's. The world's actually smaller than we really think it is, you know it really is, because we're all just doing the same thing. We're trying to make it yeah, 82 provide for your people. Love somebody, be loved.
Speaker 1:You know, and yeah absolutely enjoy something in society and I think we could talk all day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can wrap it up, you ready to wrap it up. She's hungry, I'm hungry, you hungry what?
Speaker 1:are you guys getting for food? That's what we're trying to figure out.
Speaker 2:We're taking her to a concert tonight.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, who are you going to see?
Speaker 2:Dashboard Confessionals. Probably never heard of them, exactly. It's her generation and Goo Goo Dolls.
Speaker 1:I've heard of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I know where they're at.
Speaker 2:Cool.
Speaker 1:All right, well, appreciate you, dude. Hey, man, that was awesome. I loved talking to you, man, that was great, the conspiracy thing I love. We can do that all day long, yeah, I know, do that all day long.
